Quote (Handcuffs @ Jul 16 2020 04:28pm)

This.

What a bad take, Goom.

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The treatments stopped last July, after the teen began to complain of negative side effects and refused medication, records show. Prior to that, Ouchi said, his client felt compelled to take the pills because he feared that disobeying Wang would have a detrimental effect on his pending criminal case.

Reports from probation officers about a youth’s time in custody can carry significant weight at sentencing hearings, and the teen’s case had not been adjudicated at the time Wang prescribed him the estrogen, Ouchi said.

Ouchi also alleges the boy was bullied by other youths in custody once his gynecomastia symptoms developed.

“As a teenager, he felt self-conscious already,” Ouchi said. “Going through these changes made it a lot more traumatic for him.”

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The boy’s father said the hormone therapy has had a long-term effect on his son, who now scares easily and has become antisocial.

“He’s like a different person. He just wants to be in his room, and he don’t come out for nothing, all day in his room,” the father said. “He was never like that.”

Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 16 2020 03:02pm)

He was prescribed 2mm tablets of estrogen daily, the same starting prescription as a gender transition. The facility only stocks estrogen in the first place to use for gender dysphoria prescriptions.



The bad take is anyone rationalizing this mengele-esque experiment.
2 days in juvie to diagnose someone with a "disorder" that isn't actually a disorder, and prescribe female sex hormones as an 'experimental' therapy to curtail his behavior.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jul 16 2020 05:07pm)

It's a bad take because you attribute an intent that there is no evidence for because you have a bias. It behooves all of us to be aware of our biases, but you seem to be doubling down in the face of your own here.

The bolded is the unbiased take that any reasonable person reading this story would've arrived to, and where you should have arrived to from the start. This isn't an attempt at "forced gender transition". They were trying to lower his testosterone levels under a misguided, unethical, and medically abusive 'experimental therapy' for ODD (which is contentious in its own right). They weren't trying to force a gender transition, but instead merely lower his testosterone levels because they believed his higher-than-average testosterone levels played a part of his behavioral challenges.

Nobody is rationalizing the experiment. We're just calling you out on your biased, bad take.

Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 16 2020 03:16pm)

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Giving a child in puberty sex hormones that suppress their birth gender psychological, sexual and physical traits and develop the opposite genders psychological, sexual and physical traits, is by definition a forced gender transition.
Its giving him the same pills at the same dose as they would for their gender transition prescription

They are not just 'lowering his testosterone levels'. They're giving him estrogen not spironolactone or other anti-androgens. And notably, his testosterone levels weren't very high to begin with, described by the LA Times who saw his medical records as "slightly high". Saying that someone's "higher-than-average" testosterone levels are giving him masculine behaviors you don't like, and prescribing him your gender transition hormone treatment for the explicit purpose of feminizing his behavior and the actual effect of feminizing his behavior and sexual development, is a 'forced gender transition'.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jul 16 2020 05:21pm)

There is no point in continuing here then. Your bias is solidified and unmovable, apparently.

There's no evidence that the doctors were attempting to 'force a gender transition', and none of the news outlets describe it as such or even use that language. "Forced gender transition" is merely the result of your editorializing.

Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 16 2020 03:25pm)

Is it not forcing a gender transition until they put a wig on him and start calling him Suzie? Or do they have to slice and dilate first?
They gave him a gender transition hormone treatment against his will, without notifying his parents or getting their consent, under coercion and duress, for an experimental treatment of a non-disorder.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jul 16 2020 05:25pm)

Why do you think they gave him estrogen?

Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 16 2020 03:27pm)

To feminize his behavior.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jul 16 2020 05:28pm)

Meaning what exactly? What's the rationale?