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Jun 18 2020 01:22am
Quote (balrog66 @ Jun 18 2020 05:09pm)
WaPo link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-asked-chinas-xi-to-help-him-win-reelection-according-to-bolton-book/2020/06/17/d4ea601c-ad7a-11ea-868b-93d63cd833b2_story.html

List of claims by Bolton:


Tweeting and publicly voicing support for MBS in the aftermath of the Khashoggi murder to distract from Ivanka's emails on an unsecured device
Saying journalists are bad people who should be shot or imprisoned until they reveal sources
Buying Putin's manipulations about Maduro because he compared Guaidó to Hillary Clinton
Putting Jared Kushner on the phone with Turkey's finance minister because they were both the leaders' sons-in-law, although he had no qualifications other than nepotism
Telling Erdogan and Xi he would make investigations of Turkish and Chinese companies go away once he got "his people" in offices like the Southern District of New York (this caused Bolton to meet with Barr, who agreed it was troubling)
Violating US sanctions on North Korea (which had to be waived) to give Kim presents including a signed copy of Elton John's "Rocket Man"
Planning to withdraw from NATO, only to be talked down
Not knowing the UK had nuclear arms
Wondering if Finland was part of Russia
Saying an invasion of Venezuela would be cool and that Venezuela is basically part of the US
Voicing support for Uyghur concentration camps in China's Xinjiang
Claiming to Xi he had a lot of internal support for serving more than two terms
Trying to get Japan to help him on a deal with Iran
Being wishy-washy and sloppy about whether to bomb Iran in 2019 after it shot down a drone
Saying he wants to "get out [militarily] from everywhere," without nuance, including allied countries
Saying the US should let Russia take care of the Islamic State, thereby ceding influence in the region to Russia
Having Jared Kushner personally call the Mexican government to negotiate an end to the caravans Republicans feared in 2018
Being constantly mocked behind his back by his own advisors, including the ones who appear most loyal to him, like Pompeo (who passed Bolton a note at the North Korean summit saying Trump was "so full of shit," according to the NYT) and Mnuchin


How bad is it when none of these being true would actually surprise me?


Id be surprised if any were not true.
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Jun 18 2020 06:08am
Thinking about it twice: At worse it's likely all true but exaggerated or unnecessary:

""Violating US sanctions on North Korea (which had to be waived) to give Kim presents including a signed copy of Elton John's "Rocket Man"""

:rofl:
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Jun 18 2020 06:28am
Bolton: ‘Trump told Xi to “build concentration camps and kill journalists” or agreed when Xi told him that’s what he is doing in China’

lol this neo-con warmonger Bolton is one deranged fella
Trump’s fault for hiring him. Hope Trump learned all he needed from Bolton’s after the latter’s years of meddling in foreign countries so Trump could right some of Bolton’s wrongs

those tactical strikes earlier in the year that took out terrorists and did not drag us into another war reallie ticked off the neo-con war-loving establishment including Bolton
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Jun 18 2020 06:38am
Quote (balrog66 @ Jun 18 2020 03:09am)
WaPo link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-asked-chinas-xi-to-help-him-win-reelection-according-to-bolton-book/2020/06/17/d4ea601c-ad7a-11ea-868b-93d63cd833b2_story.html

List of claims by Bolton:


Tweeting and publicly voicing support for MBS in the aftermath of the Khashoggi murder to distract from Ivanka's emails on an unsecured device
Saying journalists are bad people who should be shot or imprisoned until they reveal sources
Buying Putin's manipulations about Maduro because he compared Guaidó to Hillary Clinton
Putting Jared Kushner on the phone with Turkey's finance minister because they were both the leaders' sons-in-law, although he had no qualifications other than nepotism
Telling Erdogan and Xi he would make investigations of Turkish and Chinese companies go away once he got "his people" in offices like the Southern District of New York (this caused Bolton to meet with Barr, who agreed it was troubling)
Violating US sanctions on North Korea (which had to be waived) to give Kim presents including a signed copy of Elton John's "Rocket Man"
Planning to withdraw from NATO, only to be talked down
Not knowing the UK had nuclear arms
Wondering if Finland was part of Russia
Saying an invasion of Venezuela would be cool and that Venezuela is basically part of the US
Voicing support for Uyghur concentration camps in China's Xinjiang
Claiming to Xi he had a lot of internal support for serving more than two terms
Trying to get Japan to help him on a deal with Iran
Being wishy-washy and sloppy about whether to bomb Iran in 2019 after it shot down a drone
Saying he wants to "get out [militarily] from everywhere," without nuance, including allied countries
Saying the US should let Russia take care of the Islamic State, thereby ceding influence in the region to Russia
Having Jared Kushner personally call the Mexican government to negotiate an end to the caravans Republicans feared in 2018
Being constantly mocked behind his back by his own advisors, including the ones who appear most loyal to him, like Pompeo (who passed Bolton a note at the North Korean summit saying Trump was "so full of shit," according to the NYT) and Mnuchin


How bad is it when none of these being true would actually surprise me?


Despite him having a lot of opinions that I do not like there does not seem to be anything criminal or any impeachable or otherwise bad behavior here. Character wise I do not like him and I will be voting against him but I do not think these revelations are going to affect anything if we can call them revelations.
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Jun 18 2020 06:50am
The swiftness with which this came out it’s almost as if he started this book as soon as he got the job. 😂

I would take everything he’s saying with a grain a salt tbh. Obviously the guys is sour that trump didn’t send soldiers to various places to slaughter brown people.

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Jun 18 2020 06:55am
Quote (ofthevoid @ 18 Jun 2020 08:50)
The swiftness with which this came out it’s almost as if he started this book as soon as he got the job. 😂

I would take everything he’s saying with a grain a salt tbh. Obviously the guys is sour that trump didn’t send soldiers to various places to slaughter brown people.

leaks pretty much stopped cold when he got canned too :rofl: And yeah Bolton was absolutely livid we didn’t get into another campaign to destroy another Middle East nation and it’s citizens
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Jun 18 2020 07:19am
Although I see figures in the media applying the worst possible interpretation(which I object to, because you don't need to exaggerate Trump's unfitness and evilness), the concentration camp line seems to be Bolton's characterization of what was being talked about. So it's possible Trump didn't even understand what Xi was referring to, because he's such a complete ignoramus. Or Trump believed Xi's rosy picture over the assessment of American intelligence, because he's a conspiratorial nutjob. Or he just doesn't care, because he's an evil man. All of these explanations are consistent with what we all know about Trump.

Of course the cult will cycle through the typical nonsense. Bolton's a warmonger, he's upset he was fired, he's just trying to sell a book, etc. Bolton is a far more credible witness than Trump is.

You really can't spin your way out of the fact that several key members of Trump's administration after departing have trashed him. They all consistently affirm what we all know to be true about Trump, even though some of us aren't able to admit it.
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Jun 18 2020 07:24am
Quote (excellence @ Jun 18 2020 08:55am)
leaks pretty much stopped cold when he got canned too :rofl: And yeah Bolton was absolutely livid we didn’t get into another campaign to destroy another Middle East nation and it’s citizens


It's funny how cultists pretend there's such a wide gulf between Trump's foreign policy vision and Bolton's. Bolton loves the fact that we pulled out of the Iran deal... he's thrilled we've adopted a hawkish position, including killing Qasem Soleimani. He loves that Trump keeps pulling out of international agreements, that he's bloated the defense budget, that he's arming the Saudis in Yemen. Sure, he'd prefer an even more hawkish position, but stop pretending Trump is Rand Paul.
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Jun 18 2020 07:40am
Quote (IceMage @ 18 Jun 2020 09:24)
It's funny how cultists pretend there's such a wide gulf between Trump's foreign policy vision and Bolton's. Bolton loves the fact that we pulled out of the Iran deal... he's thrilled we've adopted a hawkish position, including killing Qasem Soleimani. He loves that Trump keeps pulling out of international agreements, that he's bloated the defense budget, that he's arming the Saudis in Yemen. Sure, he'd prefer an even more hawkish position, but stop pretending Trump is Rand Paul.


yes we know you love failed international agreements such as Paris Climate Accord, the 'give Iran nukes deal', and TPP lmao. you're still mad we didn't get into more endless wars so you could clap like a seal in delight of death in tandem with that racist Bolton, you small-time wannabe thug lmfao, pathetic..

e: reported, btw

This post was edited by excellence on Jun 18 2020 07:40am
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Jun 18 2020 07:45am
Enter political position around controversial figure.
Make bold claims (true or not who cares, talk shows wont)
Profit????


Do you think once you land the position you just immediately line up a publisher?
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