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What the DOJ had to say.

I know you like yielding to authority and uncritically accepting 'expert' opinions, but why are so readily able to accept "anonymous sources said ____" for years, while completely disregarding what the chief legal body in this country has to say considering their work is actually public and transparent compared to the smoking mirrors of anonymous sources?

Like do you ever critically think about the things you believe?


Questioning Flynn on his call with the Russian ambassador, which he lied about publicly, was untethered to the investigation of whether he was a Russian agent? Seriously?

The rest of your post makes no sense.

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Its kind of amazing how willing you are to just handwave and endless series of misconduct, crimes, leaking, spying, bad faith, hoaxes, violations of protocol, fabrication of evidence and overt political intrigue, and then turn around and declare that 'the other guys' are the ones who don't play by the rules and are uniquely corrupt and evil. Even in the fact of prosecutorial misconduct like suppressing exculpatory evidence, you think that any attempt to address the misconduct is "improperly influence". How much institutionalized malfeasance are you willing to tolerate as long as its by the side you align yourself with? If Robert Mueller had abducted Julian Assange and waterboarded him for a few months straight to get him to confess his links to Russia, would you just agree it was justifiable enhanced interrogation in the defense of national security?


Again, you keep framing it as Trump cult vs the world. I don't accept your cult framing. So your argument doesn't even make sense.
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Again, you keep framing it as Trump cult vs the world. I don't accept your cult framing. So your argument doesn't even make sense.


So when Trump officials do something its a Trump cult, but when Obama officials do something its "the world"
I guess this makes sense in the framing of cosmopolitan neoliberalism
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Quote (Goomshill @ May 7 2020 02:49pm)
Its kind of amazing how willing you are to just handwave and endless series of misconduct, crimes, leaking, spying, bad faith, hoaxes, violations of protocol, fabrication of evidence and overt political intrigue, and then turn around and declare that 'the other guys' are the ones who don't play by the rules and are uniquely corrupt and evil.Even in the fact of prosecutorial misconduct like suppressing exculpatory evidence, you think that any attempt to address the misconduct is "improperly influence". How much institutionalized malfeasance are you willing to tolerate as long as its by the side you align yourself with? If Robert Mueller had abducted Julian Assange and waterboarded him for a few months straight to get him to confess his links to Russia, would you just agree it was justifiable enhanced interrogation in the defense of national security?

You hit the nail precisely on the head. It truly is amazing how detached from reality TDS has made these people
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Questioning Flynn on his call with the Russian ambassador, which he lied about publicly, was untethered to the investigation of whether he was a Russian agent? Seriously?

The rest of your post makes no sense.



Again, you keep framing it as Trump cult vs the world. I don't accept your cult framing. So your argument doesn't even make sense.





The FBI questioned Flynn, got answers, recorded those answers. THEN they forged a document, which they then admitted as evidence and then used that document to force Flynn to perjure himself.
There's not much to... understand here. The FBI set Flynn up. Fortunately for Flynn and justice, the truth came out.

This isn't the 1st time that the FBI has gone seriously overboard with illegal acts to further their "get Trump" agenda. The FBI was "in it" up to their ears. IMO just being fired is not enough.. Comey should be summarily executed.



/e On a side note: It shouldn't be too long now before we have the results of John Durham's investigation. I have the feeling there will be quite a few folk "hanging from the gallows" before this fiasco is over with.

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So when Trump officials do something its a Trump cult, but when Obama officials do something its "the world"
I guess this makes sense in the framing of cosmopolitan neoliberalism


Uh... every FBI official the cult obsesses over was a Trump official at one point.

My framing was Republicans vs Democrats. If a Republican AG acts so corruptly by intervening in cases, it's worth pondering why the other side won't do the same when they get in.

That's separate from actions by different law enforcement officials, who aren't political appointees. Again, it's not Trump cult vs the world(or America, sorry to offend your nationalist sensibilities).

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On a side note: It shouldn't be too long now before we have the results of John Durham's investigation. I have the feeling there will be quite a few folk "hanging from the gallows" before this fiasco is over with.


It's a lot easier for a corrupt AG to give the president's friends a break, rather than unjustly prosecute someone. Notice Flynn's case wasn't dismissed by a judge who reviewed evidence... Barr had to snuff it out himself.

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It's a lot easier for a corrupt AG to give the president's friends a break, rather than unjustly prosecute someone. Notice Flynn's case wasn't dismissed by a judge who reviewed evidence... Barr had to snuff it out himself.




IMO it's a good thing to not convict people that didn't do what they were charged for.

Steele Dossier... fake evidence paid for by the DEMs, then used to illegally obtain a FISA warrant, to investigate tons of people without legal cause.
Evidence introduced in Flynn's second major hearing, also fake, which forced Flynn to perjure himself.

I think you've read the back of the Tostitos bag too many times... where it talks about double dipping and how... "If no one catches you, it never really happened".


I understand the Dems want to win... that's fine. The ways they are going about it... is not only illegal, but it's not fine.




/e If you want to basic it down some... "Cheaters never win".



/ee And what's even worse than the Dems, is that Wendys is out of beef for their burgers. ^^

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Uh... every FBI official the cult obsesses over was a Trump official at one point.
My framing was Republicans vs Democrats. If a Republican AG acts so corruptly by intervening in cases, it's worth pondering why the other side won't do the same when they get in.
That's separate from actions by different law enforcement officials, who aren't political appointees. Again, it's not Trump cult vs the world(or America, sorry to offend your nationalist sensibilities).


Obama appointees and their appointments who interfered in law enforcement for political purposes was all a-okay? Who do you think did the unmasking?
Did Eric Holder play by the rules on gunwalking? How about when the DEA & ATF were closing in on Hezbollah's drug and gun ring while Obama was trying to strike the Iran Deal? Hillary Clinton spent so much time denying she was the one who approved the Uranium One license that she forgot to deny there was anything untowards about the investigation going mysteriously silent during Obama's Russia reset.

Pretending in the institutional neutrality of actors like Strzok and McCabe is a pretty thin veneer. The pit of vipers produced a guy so self-serving he stabbed his ally Comey in the back in hopes of climbing over his body for department head, leaking Clinton whitewashing stories to the WSJ with a wink and a nod she couldn't miss. At best the political actors were opportunists, but the lovebirds sounded ready to burn Trump in effigy.
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