if you raise your child in a padded room they'll get hurt once they leave it. falling on their ass is a good way to make sure they stay on their feet.

you could extend this throughout their entire lives. why not double check your childs homework and make sure they have all the right answers? why let them fail, ever?

because failure cements lessons, success cements fantasies, especially when the successes are manufactured.

also, god still gives humans free will. so while he can make the obstacle course rough or easy its still up to them to walk it. to put it VERY simplistically.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 3 2020 11:20am

Yeah but your analogy relies on fallible humans being the parents. It's not really the same when you can just create life in whatever form you want. Lessons are made to teach things, but why would you bother giving a lesson when you can just beam the lesson fully realized into somebody's skull?

why does the ability to create things make one infallible? and why would you create something perfect?

most of the things ive created aren't perfect, if they were they'd likely be boring.

just for a few examples, it would be like making an ant farm but having predug tunnels. you want to see what the ants do.

or replicating a Big Mac. unless you're trying to trick someone into thinking its from McD's you'd be better off making your version of one. your take.

but from a religious perspective life on earth was created as a test for everlasting life. heaven or hell. if everyone was perfect there would be no purpose to have hell.

and in any case many of these questions revolve around whether god lives outside of time, which we have no evidence of for or against, even from a biblical perspective that's speculative at best. why can't god learn from his own mistakes if he experiences the passage of time. and if he doesn't, wouldn't heaven, where u also dont experience time as a now immortal being, be rather boring?

So God is not infallible?

in what context?

can god make mistakes, yes, by his own admission and illustrated through the story of Noah in which he hit the restart button.

but his word is infallible in the context of eternal salvation, as he made earth, wrote the rules, made heaven and hell, and makes the final judgement.

my boss at work can be infallible in the context of my employment, but he can still make mistakes.

the simple addition of Jesus into his preexisting religion shows a change of direction in any case.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 3 2020 11:36am

Okay then you're taking a much more mild stance than I'm used to. Usually it's "God is infallible and is perfect and never makes mistakes etc. etc."

If God can make mistakes, then it's clear why he would allow people to learn their own lessons, because he can't necessarily perfectly teach them.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 3 2020 11:38am

In the eyes of a young child, do their parents seem all-powerful and all-knowing?

As a parent, do you give your children the freedom to make their own choices, even knowing that they make some mistakes, because you know that that contributes to their process of developing into a mature adult?



Humans aren't always supposed to be able to comprehend God's plan.

If modern science can not explain exactly why gravity exists, does that mean it is fake? Of course not.

Humans are limited beings.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Apr 3 2020 11:57am

people who think god is both perfect and timeless need to re-read the lesson of Noah. or at the very least realize they're in the version 2.0 and following Jesus/God, instead of being Jewish and following only God.

most of the people you've heard this from are just afraid to confront the idea of an imperfect God, and/or they sense it as a logical trap to undermine their faith by an atheist. many theological discussions between believers and nonbelievers go like that, both sides looking to use the same played out trap cards. and in the same way like minded discussions are mostly meme worthy circle jerks.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 3 2020 11:41am

Whats the goal?

the exit door of the obstacle course with clouds rather than the one with flames, duh.