Quote (IceMage @ 11 Mar 2020 18:35)

Good way to separate the people who supported Yang because of policy vs the weirdo anti-establishment populists.

Quote (fender @ Mar 11 2020 05:05pm)

people act like this is surprising. beto and kamala did similar things: feign leftist values / point out how terrible biden's political legacy is, but still endorse him.

i mean, i've seen some edgelords joking how getting the most votes can hardly be 'rigged', but i don't think even the biggest establishment shills would genuinely believe there hasn't been some massive backroom dealing going on to consolidate the centrist vote, and i wouldn't be the least bit surprised if obama himself played a very active and important role in it.

america can wave goodbye to universal healthcare / affordable education / having decently paying jobs / getting rid of the insane corruption in washington... both biden and trump will (continue to) put people in charge who profit from the exploitation of average americans, they will keep protecting wall street and the insurance industry, not consumers and the environment / subsidise fossil fuel not students / listen to the military industrial complex and not the american people who oppose war...

i would say americans deserve it. well, most of them at least...

Quote (IceMage @ Mar 11 2020 05:48pm)

I can't take people seriously who believe there's some person pulling the strings behind everything, whether it's Trump cultists or Bernie Bros. We're almost 4 years removed from Trump's take over of the Republican party... and people still think political parties have a ton of power.

The reality is that once black voters had a significant say in the primary, Biden did well. After that, he was the clear frontrunner on the moderate side. Then, the other low polling moderates dropped out and endorsed the candidate who they agreed with and thought could win, followed by the decent polling moderate dropping out after Biden cleaned up on Super Tuesday.

It's not rocket science. There's simple explanations for what has happened so far. Once Biden became the moderate frontrunner, he's destroyed Bernie, because people think he can win, and because the Democratic party isn't full-blown democratic socialist.

Quote (IceMage @ 11 Mar 2020 18:48)

I can't take people seriously who believe there's some person pulling the strings behind everything, whether it's Trump cultists or Bernie Bros. We're almost 4 years removed from Trump's take over of the Republican party... and people still think political parties have a ton of power.

The reality is that once black voters had a significant say in the primary, Biden did well. After that, he was the clear frontrunner on the moderate side. Then, the other low polling moderates dropped out and endorsed the candidate who they agreed with and thought could win, followed by the decent polling moderate dropping out after Biden cleaned up on Super Tuesday.

It's not rocket science. There's simple explanations for what has happened so far. Once Biden became the moderate frontrunner, he's destroyed Bernie, because people think he can win, and because the Democratic party isn't full-blown democratic socialist.

Quote (IceMage @ 11 Mar 2020 23:48)

I can't take people seriously who believe there's some person pulling the strings behind everything, whether it's Trump cultists or Bernie Bros. We're almost 4 years removed from Trump's take over of the Republican party... and people still think political parties have a ton of power.

The reality is that once black voters had a significant say in the primary, Biden did well. After that, he was the clear frontrunner on the moderate side. Then, the other low polling moderates dropped out and endorsed the candidate who they agreed with and thought could win, followed by the decent polling moderate dropping out after Biden cleaned up on Super Tuesday.

It's not rocket science. There's simple explanations for what has happened so far. Once Biden became the moderate frontrunner, he's destroyed Bernie, because people think he can win, and because the Democratic party isn't full-blown democratic socialist.

Quote (excellence @ Mar 11 2020 08:05pm)

actual liberals like Bernie
actual conservatives or libertarians abhor him but understand his appeal

you are neither. you’re a lukewarm privileged lefty lost in the world because you have nothing to live for. a lost relic of the fake quasi “conservative” past trying to play nice with the swamp while trying to idealize..nothing. no solutions just more complaining.

just go away lol you serve no purpose.

Quote (fender @ Mar 11 2020 08:11pm)

and i can't take people seriously who are dishonestly trying to push reasonable arguments, based on pretty obvious conclusions, on the conspiratorial fringe, just because they don't like the message.

the fact that corporate owned politicians will always pick their donors over ther constituents is well documented and undeniable - there's nothing conspiratorial about that. people who uncritically accept that messaging should really get their heads checked imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig

biden got some pretty significant endorsements. if you look at his actual political record, it makes very little sense that minorities would support him rather than sanders. and while i agree that the democratic PARTY isn't 'full-blown democratic socialist', if you look at the specific CORE policies (money in politics, universal healthcare, affordable education, wages, taxation of the rich and corporations, forever wars...), the american people (including republicans btw) are much more left than you're trying to suggest.

but it's not really shocking how that is just a secondary issue, since american politics is not about substance or integrity, it's about labels, endorsements, and propaganda - so i guess it's not that surprising when people keep arguing accordingly...

Quote (IceMage @ 12 Mar 2020 01:19)

Liberals don't typically like someone who argues in favor of repressive regimes all over the world.

Right-wingers, or fake conservatives/libertines enjoy him because he helps them attack the Democratic party.

You're a boring troll who probably would've given up the act years ago absent whatever mental illness you have. I'd argue that PaRD deserves better ones, but that would be a lie.



So you're telling me that Democratic voters who would pass specific legislation if they had the power to do it themselves are supporting the moderate candidate who can win and at least get something done?

Shocking.