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Mar 9 2020 11:15am
Quote (TheOmnipotent @ Mar 9 2020 12:27am)
There is risk in leaving your current job where you are comfortable, have the mutual respect of your coworkers, and have many avenues to develop your skills.

Yes often times the best way to get a significant bump (10-20%) is by leaving your current job. As a manager there are limited options available for us to meet this kind of raise - there are "market adjustments" or "retention adjustments" that can be done for essential people but it's really hard to get these.

I would say it is definitely a balance between comfort in your current role, what you could reasonably get by leaving your current job, and what skills and experience you can continue to gain in your current role. For example for a reasonably sized company, even if you work in say the IT group there is still much you can learn in project management, finance, supply chain, sales, operations, and most other functional groups that will add value to your resume and keep your job interesting and fresh.

Now more than ever the expectation is that most employees will stay for 2-3 years and either transition to a new role in the company or move on.

The best advise I have received on this is that its not always about the money, but if you feel like it's time to move on you should trust your intuition. Even if you make a mistake you are still moving forward in your career.

Good luck :)



I always take issue with the “if you are somewhere where your company truly values you....” line. If a company who only knows you from a resume and an interview is willing to pay you more than the company who knows what an amazing worker you are and what value you’ll continue to bring for them, that’s a huuuuge issue to me and proves that they really don’t value you.
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Mar 9 2020 11:25am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Mar 9 2020 05:20am)
My partner works for the highest paying company in her industry and has 15 years with them, i jumped ship a few times for pay rises but i have found working with people i enjoyed being around outweighed a few dollars.


I don't call 68k to 80-90k "a few dollars" :p
American salaries don't compare well to European ones so I imagine it's difficult to put this reply in its correct perspective.
A physiotherapist would earn 2500 euro's to 2800 euro's a month, or about 50% of what a patient pays (but you run the risk of not having patients and thus no salary). This is a starting salary.
I have the luck that my employer was happy to pay 62% right off the bat and he has a lot of groups. On a good month I raked in 4400 euro's, which is more than my dad (An icon in the printer software industries) and my brother (manager of ~1b revenue/year companies) make. It's a salary I'll not get anywhere else in the Netherlands as a physio.

I do not jump ships for salary because of the simple reason I'll never find a better place in that field. However, I am also enrolled in med school. Here's a field where changing jobs may indeed get me a better income, however, being the left near-communist that I am, I find it likely that I will work where I feel I help the people who need that help rather than those who can pay for that help. In Belgium, where I study, this will easily cut my salary in half. Shrug. I won't have time to spend the money anyway. As long as I've got a decent home, a reliable car and if possible, a happy wife by then -- that's all I can wish for. I don't need 6 cars, a phat home, 8 holidays per year and what not.


...I'd like a good kitchen though. I like cooking.

This post was edited by Forg0tten on Mar 9 2020 11:26am
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Mar 9 2020 11:49am
Quote (Forg0tten @ Mar 9 2020 06:25pm)
I don't call 68k to 80-90k "a few dollars" :p
American salaries don't compare well to European ones so I imagine it's difficult to put this reply in its correct perspective.
A physiotherapist would earn 2500 euro's to 2800 euro's a month, or about 50% of what a patient pays (but you run the risk of not having patients and thus no salary). This is a starting salary.
I have the luck that my employer was happy to pay 62% right off the bat and he has a lot of groups. On a good month I raked in 4400 euro's, which is more than my dad (An icon in the printer software industries) and my brother (manager of ~1b revenue/year companies) make. It's a salary I'll not get anywhere else in the Netherlands as a physio.

I do not jump ships for salary because of the simple reason I'll never find a better place in that field. However, I am also enrolled in med school. Here's a field where changing jobs may indeed get me a better income, however, being the left near-communist that I am, I find it likely that I will work where I feel I help the people who need that help rather than those who can pay for that help. In Belgium, where I study, this will easily cut my salary in half. Shrug. I won't have time to spend the money anyway. As long as I've got a decent home, a reliable car and if possible, a happy wife by then -- that's all I can wish for. I don't need 6 cars, a phat home, 8 holidays per year and what not.


...I'd like a good kitchen though. I like cooking.


Yeah, salaries really don't compare. I'm currently with ~4 years experience in my quite specific engineering field and I do have the luck I got promoted quite quickly, but I'm close to ~4k/month gross now. Which is great for NL, but compares badly abroad. Even in Germany you get paid way more in engineering.
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Mar 9 2020 11:55am
In my case I took advantage of an opportunity.

I work at a very large company that has a new gaming division. That gaming division was in its infancy when I first arrived here and so it grew extremely fast. People who stood out got promoted. I got 3 promotions in the span of 2 years in a role that had nothing to do with my previous role. Now I'm just gathering valuable experience to have a strong chance of being hired in that role elsewhere for much better pay.
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Mar 9 2020 12:00pm
There's nothing special here; it worth it only when you know that you are in a good position: Sector and Hierarchy.
When you are young you can change every 2-5 years to get a better experience. Except in very large structures eventually.

Top notch is consultant; like system architect (this is just an example) and to design infrastructures for various very big clients, thus it's not really a quiet work you are never forced to stick with the same assholes for years.
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Mar 9 2020 12:12pm
Hop around regularly but the consultant gig seems to be the most fun
i still shop at walmart and identify as one of the poors
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Mar 9 2020 12:25pm
Quote (thundercock @ Mar 8 2020 10:51pm)
As someone in software, I've gotten some substantial pay increases when I jumped ship. I make it a priority to start looking every 2 years to see if I can do significantly better. I wish the world wasn't like that but that's the way it is.


I do same thing. I am either being groomed for promotion, have just taken over something, or am plotting my exit. Now I'm plotting my exit because I've done a very difficult role not many can master and done great for 18 months...and my annual raise came with no criticism and was one of the worse raises I've ever gotten... I didn't even say anything at the meeting just pulled out my phone and redownload the indeed app lol.


Quote (EndlessSky @ Mar 8 2020 11:09pm)
Its a good argument, but you're probably in the top 10% of workers so what works for you probably doesn’t work for everyone.


This is a factor.

This post was edited by Skinned on Mar 9 2020 12:25pm
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Mar 9 2020 03:13pm
i'm happy where i'm at
it doesn't take that much money to live comfortably and well
if i'm happy where i'm at, i'm not going to jump ship for more money
i don't think even double my salary would entice me to leave
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Mar 9 2020 03:55pm
Quote (duffman316 @ 9 Mar 2020 14:12)
Hop around regularly but the consultant gig seems to be the most fun
i still shop at walmart and identify as one of the poors

this makes the largest difference imo

outside of my abode, i still try my best to spend as i did at 23. i have up’d my quality of alcohol intake though B)
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Mar 9 2020 07:17pm
The union pay scale keeps me from jumping ship. You don't find people in my line of work making more than union scale. I'm not in a union shop, but it pays the union rate to keep the union out. I've been with my main job for almost 18 years now. My secondary job, for almost 13. I know for a fact I am not "valued," but I have an artificial ceiling over me due to the field I'm in. On the other hand, I literally said out loud to my coworkers last week "God I love working here." We have great fun, usually at each other's expense. My bills are mostly paid (I fall behind once in a while paying unforeseen expenses). My commute is easy. Perhaps the biggest barriers to jumping ship (aside from a dearth of superior options) is that benefits lag. I'm 2 years from 4 weeks paid vacation per year and paying COBRA would consume $9/hour until benefits kick in elsewhere.
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