Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 30 2019 01:41pm)
Well the 'exact' and probably most accurate label would be Black Identity Extremists. Its a wide panoply of belief structures, outrage movements and social media trends that encompass everything from Nation of Islam to Nation of Yahweh to Nation of Moors to Black Lives Matter to Black Panthers to Moorish Sovereign Citizens to Black Nationalists, etc etc. The constants are that they're black and hate whites / jews / cops and distrust the government.
It sounds like you're trying to pretend that Farrakhan isn't a far-left figure who associates himself with the Democratic party. All the black nationalist movements and BIEs are folded under the umbrella of the far-left, just like the neo-nazis and white supremacists are off on the far-right. Its no mistake that the same party who at the center pretends to embrace women's rights at the fringes embraces anti-feminist trannies and anti-feminist sharia law apologists, which is how we wind up with ludicrous stuff like Linda Sarsour heading the Women's March. Because "Left" and "Right" aren't political ideologies, they're political affiliations.
And the far-left antisemitism has been lurking right at the surface of black politics for decades. Politicians like Obama made the pragmatic decision to dance with the anti-semites rather than disavow and antagonize them and risk alienating the critical black gatekeepers. Even once they got too politically toxic to meet in public, the DNC will still prevaricate and make excuses and whataboutisms whenever black racism, anti-semitism and xenophobia is brought up. Bill De Blasio was in that interview repeatedly trying to blame Trump for anti-semitic attacks by far-left black people, not once did he call them out. I'm trying to imagine a world where the Republicans were in bed with David Duke like Democrats are with Farrakhan. The biggest scandal they raised for Trump- who's family is half jewish- is that he only condemned the anti-semites and neo-nazis at charlottesville and not also the non-racist people who also attended. Imagine that logic with BIEs
Oh and here's a picture of the democrats in 2005, having no love for Louis Farrakhan and trying to kill him;
https://i.imgur.com/SxwOs3X.pngFor the first I would say criminal. Line em all up and gun em all down.
The other I would say is the black caucas, who represents a population long oppressed in American politics. I would imagine they were as happy with Obama as David Duke was with Trump.
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 30 2019 01:22pm)
i was being partially hyperbolic, but tbh there's something there.
the link to hating gays is far more tangible. and black people do have a mistrust of banks and by proxy are far less likely to have a bank account.
having worked with prisoners for years on having a successful life upon release i was shocked to learn many dont have bank accounts, neither does anyone in their family.
they live, many paycheck to paycheck, cashing payroll checks at places like Walmart. many paying 5$ or so per check cashing. they have taxes done at walmart, take -10% on their return to get a check that day, then pay 5$ more to have it cashed at the counter.
its not exclusively a black thing of course, more of a poor thing. there's just sadly a large crossover. yet hate for jews is also a large correlation with poverty.
i just never got the connection. its not the jews' fault, its a small handful of bankers who happen to be jewish. whereas hate for gays, while wrong, is logical. they just hate all gays.
Arousal response system at work. I don't think anything will come up if you Google that term though. It has to do with user experience with the repeated interaction of systems. Part of systems theory. Big barrier when engaging marginalized populations as a social worker. And it happens with all people, just negatively to the poor people and more positively with people who systems work for.
This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 30 2019 01:34pm