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Dec 19 2019 11:54am
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Water is the most valuable natural resource that many of us living in the western world take for granted. I remember living in the Central Cali and only being allowed to shower for x minutes a day and only watering your lawn at certain times because water scarcity.

I actually did a presentation on this topic a little while back. Global warming by 2050 is actually going to amplify the fresh water problem. People make fun of Trump for offering to buy Greenland, not realizing that 90% of the worlds fresh water is locked in glaciers making some of those Arctic regions pretty valuable.


but is glacier mining really more efficient than desalination? i honestly have no idea. desalinization takes energy, but so does shipping water from Greenland to wherever.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 19 2019 11:54am)
but is glacier mining really more efficient than desalination? i honestly have no idea. desalinization takes energy, but so does shipping water from Greenland to wherever.


IBM was working on a prototype solar dish where the residual thermal heat was used for water desalinization. Pretty cool concept to use renewable energy for power and water.

https://inhabitat.com/ibm-solar-collector-concentrates-light-with-the-power-of-2000-suns/


Quote (ofthevoid @ Dec 19 2019 11:48am)
Water is the most valuable natural resource that many of us living in the western world take for granted. I remember living in the Central Cali and only being allowed to shower for x minutes a day and only watering your lawn at certain times because water scarcity.

I actually did a presentation on this topic a little while back. Global warming by 2050 is actually going to amplify the fresh water problem. People make fun of Trump for offering to buy Greenland, not realizing that 90% of the worlds fresh water is locked in glaciers making some of those Arctic regions pretty valuable.


This topic is close to heart as I live near Lake Superior. Wiki claims Great Lakes hold ~80% of North Americas freshwater, and locally there is push for a copper/nickle mine in the Boundary Waters as well as completing some oil pipeline. I can tell you, the water from my well is the best I've ever had. Hopefully we don't mess up our 80% fresh water reserve.
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Dec 19 2019 12:19pm
Quote (RedFromWinter @ Dec 19 2019 12:16pm)
IBM was working on a prototype solar dish where the residual thermal heat was used for water desalinization. Pretty cool concept to use renewable energy for power and water.

https://inhabitat.com/ibm-solar-collector-concentrates-light-with-the-power-of-2000-suns/




This topic is close to heart as I live near Lake Superior. Wiki claims Great Lakes hold ~80% of North Americas freshwater, and locally there is push for a copper/nickle mine in the Boundary Waters as well as completing some oil pipeline. I can tell you, the water from my well is the best I've ever had. Hopefully we don't mess up our 80% fresh water reserve.


fuck that. as a person who's done 4 trips there this would break my heart. the most peaceful place ive ever been to.
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Dec 19 2019 12:20pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 19 2019 12:54pm)
but is glacier mining really more efficient than desalination? i honestly have no idea. desalinization takes energy, but so does shipping water from Greenland to wherever.


Not sure which is more economical or scalable. I feel like if it was as efficient as it needs to be it would be happening in a place like coastal California that has a lot of innovation and the money to make it happen.

We found it favorable to build pipelines from Alberta's tar sands, i think if this became a sever enough issue we'd find a way to mine Greenland's water.

My theory on this issue is this though. According to some more severe models, global temperatures will tick up 3-4 Fahrenheit in the next 100 years or so. What happens to the habitability of equatorial places that already have mean temperatures that are already hot as balls? What happens to southern Florida or the southwest? Naturally imo humans would migrate to more habitable environments. So in the long run (next few hundred years) we could actually see a shift to more northern regions. Parts of coastal Greenland are already habitable. It's conceivable that in the next few hundred years places like Mexico, Southern India, North Africa, etc. may become increasingly unsuitable for human life.

We all keep talking how do we stop global warming but no one seems to be focusing on the conversation that assuming it's happening, and assuming we can't prevent it, what are some contingency plans?

Check out this water supply/demand in NA. Scroll like 3/4 down to see some really nice visuals of impact.

https://nca2014.globalchange.gov/highlights/report-findings/water-supply

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Not sure which is more economical or scalable. I feel like if it was as efficient as it needs to be it would be happening in a place like coastal California that has a lot of innovation and the money to make it happen.

We found it favorable to build pipelines from Alberta's tar sands, i think if this became a sever enough issue we'd find a way to mine Greenland's water.

My theory on this issue is this though. According to some more severe models, global temperatures will tick up 3-4 Fahrenheit in the next 100 years or so. What happens to the habitability of equatorial places that already have mean temperatures that are already hot as balls? What happens to southern Florida or the southwest? Naturally imo humans would migrate to more habitable scenarios. So in the long run (next few hundred years) we could actually see a shift to more northern regions. Parts of coastal Greenland are already habitable. It's conceivable that in the next few hundred years places like Mexico, Southern India, North Africa, etc. may become increasingly unsuitable for human life.

We all keep talking how do we stop global warming but no one seems to be focusing on the conversation that assuming it's happening, and assuming we can't prevent it, what are some contingency plans?

Check out this water supply/demand in NA. Scroll like 3/4 down to see some really nice visuals of impact.

https://nca2014.globalchange.gov/highlights/report-findings/water-supply


i agree. and with many on the right being very focused on migrant caravans you'd think it would be an easy issue to shift to. sadly tho many on the right fall into the "its a hoax" or worse "its natural so we shouldnt do anything, but also not let in migrants, that's their problem" ala Ghot.

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IBM was working on a prototype solar dish where the residual thermal heat was used for water desalinization. Pretty cool concept to use renewable energy for power and water.

https://inhabitat.com/ibm-solar-collector-concentrates-light-with-the-power-of-2000-suns/




This topic is close to heart as I live near Lake Superior. Wiki claims Great Lakes hold ~80% of North Americas freshwater, and locally there is push for a copper/nickle mine in the Boundary Waters as well as completing some oil pipeline. I can tell you, the water from my well is the best I've ever had. Hopefully we don't mess up our 80% fresh water reserve.


I live 5 minutes walking distance from the Niagara river which links Lake Erie to Ontario. There's literally sewage discharge areas sanctioned by the city/state into the river which flows into Ontario, pretty fucked up.

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Dec 19 2019 12:58pm
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I live 5 minutes walking distance from the Niagara river which links Lake Erie to Ontario. There's literally sewage discharge areas sanctioned by the city/state into the river which flows into Ontario, pretty fucked up.


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I live 5 minutes walking distance from the Niagara river which links Lake Erie to Ontario. There's literally sewage discharge areas sanctioned by the city/state into the river which flows into Ontario, pretty fucked up.


I agree, it's pretty fucked up that the government intrudes into the liberty of people to run a business how they see fit. If the public doesnt like public disposal they will stop doing business with companies that pollute. No big brother necessary.
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I agree, it's pretty fucked up that the government intrudes into the liberty of people to run a business how they see fit. If the public doesnt like public disposal they will stop doing business with companies that pollute. No big brother necessary.


Big brother is doing the discharging tho.

>If we only give full control to government all issues will magically disappear!
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Dec 19 2019 01:13pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Dec 19 2019 02:12pm)
Big brother is doing the discharging tho.

>If we only give full control to government all issues will magically disappear!


Big brother is one firm among many.

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