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Dec 11 2019 01:31pm
Quote (Santara @ Dec 11 2019 01:24pm)
That is NOT what is at issue here, because he obviously has state-issued identification, and that makes him a citizen. They're nitpicking that the address THEY HAVE ON FILE for him doesn't match the address ON HIS ID. They're not trying to make sure they keep ammo out of the hands of illegals, California would never pass a law that targeted illegals.


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Dec 11 2019 01:36pm
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weren't there any guns to prevent that kind of government tyranny? unbelievable really, someone should do something about it, right? glad you presented this in an unbiased and non-hyperbolic way, so everyone knows how those poor people are stripped of their god given rights.


Unlike the press, I don't even try to pretend I am unbiased. This is taking people's rights away, and people who take away people's rights are fucking trash.
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Dec 11 2019 01:48pm
Quote (RedFromWinter @ 11 Dec 2019 14:31)
This is a clear 2A infringement violation, but in the shaded gray area. The address discrepancy denials are a complete joke. Imagine you are homeless, what the hell would you put down? You probably have more need for personal protection too.



Only do Americans think it wise to hand out Guns to the homeless. wow.

How could that homeless person identify themselves as a US citizen and not a terrorist if he doesnt have any ID? people MUST identify themselves.


Quote (Santara @ 11 Dec 2019 14:24)
That is NOT what is at issue here, because he obviously has state-issued identification, and that makes him a citizen. They're nitpicking that the address THEY HAVE ON FILE for him doesn't match the address ON HIS ID. They're not trying to make sure they keep ammo out of the hands of illegals, California would never pass a law that targeted illegals.



? ya thats how it works. People need to be identified. Not every gun store clerk in the Country can physically identify individual police officers. It is not unreasonable to ask that addresses are confirmed across documents of identification. That is exactly why some places ask for two pieces of identity.

This is simple identification. nothing more.

You really think it would be better that no one IDs anyone to buy guns? Or more specifically, if someones information on their profile doesnt match the ID card they show you, do you still think we should sell them guns?

This post was edited by Phaggot on Dec 11 2019 02:04pm
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Dec 11 2019 01:51pm
Quote (Santara @ 11 Dec 2019 20:36)
Unlike the press, I don't even try to pretend I am unbiased. This is taking people's rights away, and people who take away people's rights are fucking trash.


you don't get it, i totally agree with you: those do nothing politicians clearly did this only to take people's rights away - they didn't do it to protect more important rights or anything, they were just being tyrannical. all i'm saying is that it's a shame that not enough guns were around to stop them from doing that, because that's what guns do, you know? protect citizens from outrageous tyranny like that.
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Dec 11 2019 02:06pm
Quote (Phaggot @ Dec 11 2019 01:48pm)
? ya thats how it works. People need to be identified. Not every gun store clerk in the Country can physically identify the identity of an individual police officer. It is not unreasonable to ask that addresses are confirmed across documents of identification. That is exactly why some places ask for two pieces of identity.

This is simple identification. nothing more.

You really think it would be better that no one IDs anyone to buy guns? Or more specifically, if someones information on their profile doesnt match the ID card they show you, do you still think we should sell them guns?


Whether the ADDRESS matches or not, he's been identified.


/e to answer your last question, this is about ammo purchases, not buying the guns themselves.

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Quote (Santara @ 11 Dec 2019 15:06)
Whether the ADDRESS matches or not, he's been identified.



buddy semantics don't matter.

people must be identified. Otherwise we could be selling drug dealers and terrorists and child murderers and mentally unfit school shooters guns.

but oh wait. Your ID says your a cop, and it matches the database. Sweet. no need to worry now.

Make sense.


If you are a citizen and can prove your identity as to why you possess these rights, then yes, you have the rights. but if you can't prove you are a citizen, and not some terrorist lakad matatag praise allah type fegit, then you cant be assumed the same rights as an american citizen such as myself, someone willing to prove their identity and therefore acclamation to these rights. understand?

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Dec 11 2019 02:37pm
Quote (Phaggot @ Dec 11 2019 02:11pm)
buddy semantics don't matter.

people must be identified. Otherwise we could be selling drug dealers and terrorists and child murderers and mentally unfit school shooters guns.

but oh wait. Your ID says your a cop, and it matches the database. Sweet. no need to worry now.

Make sense.


If you are a citizen and can prove your identity as to why you possess these rights, then yes, you have the rights. but if you can't prove you are a citizen, and not some terrorist lakad matatag praise allah type fegit, then you cant be assumed the same rights as an american citizen such as myself, someone willing to prove their identity and therefore acclamation to these rights. understand?


It's not semantics. If you have a state issued identification card, and it doesn't have an exclusion right on it like "not for voting purposes" or some such, then you are by default a citizen. It is not incumbent on a citizen to prove themselves a citizen, it is incumbent on the government to prove otherwise.

Try looking up "Blackstone's Formulation." It is a core tenet for western jurisprudence.
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Dec 11 2019 02:48pm
Quote (Santara @ 11 Dec 2019 15:37)
It's not semantics. If you have a state issued identification card, and it doesn't have an exclusion right on it like "not for voting purposes" or some such, then you are by default a citizen. It is not incumbent on a citizen to prove themselves a citizen, it is incumbent on the government to prove otherwise.

Try looking up "Blackstone's Formulation." It is a core tenet for western jurisprudence.



A terrorist could kill the citizen and take their ID card.

Which is why you need to verify the ID against the database.

this is how the world works boomer.
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Quote (Phaggot @ Dec 11 2019 02:48pm)
A terrorist could kill the citizen and take their ID card.

Which is why you need to verify the ID against the database.

this is how the world works boomer.


Lol Boomer. Okay faggot.

There's this thing called a photograph on the ID. You can look at it and then compare it to the person in front of you. The database serves no useful purpose other than to stand a barrier to the free exercise of one's rights.
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Dec 11 2019 03:00pm
Quote (Santara @ Dec 11 2019 01:36pm)
Unlike the press, I don't even try to pretend I am unbiased. This is taking people's rights away, and people who take away people's rights are fucking trash.


Glad to have your support in the abolition of private property comrad.
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