I get that, but my question still stands: then what? Gridlock until the end of time? Gridlock and pray that somehow by a miracle Labour becomes strong enough to defeat the Tories in yet another snap election?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 12 2019 08:48am

why people brag about voting so much in UK? like who gives a fuck that you voted...is it same in Merica?


also something one my friends posted that cracked me up..."if you went to vote, well done, give your self pat on the back, unless you voted for "x party" then you are a dickhead"

This post was edited by -=vasya=- on Dec 12 2019 09:26am

what i find somewhat funny is the tories constantly calling for snap elections to secure a more comfortably majority, when most of them insist that 'you can't just keep voting until you like the results', largely rejecting a second referendum.

while i'm personally against it, and would gladly see the UK leave as soon as possible, i still think the case for a second referendum is objectively a strong and fairly reasonable one, given how close the first one was, how unspecific the path forward was, and how uninformed the majority of voters were. we're now at a point where people could make an at least somewhat informed decision to give the government a more specific idea of what they actually want. the vague framing of the first one is unsurprisingly interpreted very differently, depending on who you ask.

Basically yea.

We need a non-Tory govt. We've had a decade of austerity and cuts. Our public services have been decimated. Our NHS is being sold off piecemeal to private interests. 220,000 deaths attributed to austerity. 90 disabled a week dying after having their benefits cut or being found fit to work. Shareholders have seen their cuts increase by 85% while wages have stagnated. Tory policies have been described as a 'violation of human rights' by the UN. Our poor, our disabled, our workers, our middle class even cannot afford to live under a Tory majority. If we can't win power we have to at least stop them from doing any more harm.

what is the likelihood or even possibility of Scotland having a vote to leave the UK again in light of Brexit?

Pretty high.

Basically a certainty on the outside chance that Labour manage to form a coalition with the SNP. That is extremely unlikely but still possible.

The Tories won't allow it any time soon but I'd put the next independence referendum for Scotland inside of 2 years no matter the result of the election... unless the conservatives somehow sweep Scotland.

cool cool, ty info.

also a separate but related question. when i was in Scotland, Glasgow if it makes a difference, a group of high school age kids were having a public protest that appeared to say, and im paraphrasing here, "global warming isnt important to combat, we need to revolutionize the economy instead". and they read to me like left leaning, pro economy reform, anti climate change reform. signs and chants like "Fuck your global warming" and "climate change? we need economy change". but its hard AF to know what those Gleskies are even fucking saying....

is that like a thing? just surprised me because in the USA economy reform and climate change advocacy go hand in hand.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 12 2019 10:30am

A referendum on a decision as monumental and long-lasting as Brexit should require a supermajority of say 60%. Allowing it to pass on a simple majority was a mistake. But the rules absolutely cannot and should not be changed retroactively, just because some groups dont like the outcome.

Anyhow, effectively, today's election is this fabled second referendum on Brexit. This time, everyone knows what's at stake, everyone knows the rough contours of how Brexit will be pulled off if the Tories win a majority. This is the one big shot for Remainers to stop Brexit once and for all. If they fail to do so, then the typical stances of "people were just uninformed and didnt know what they were voting for" and "we demand a second chance for the British public to vote on this" will no longer be valid in my opinion.

God knows tbh. Sorry.

There's a lot of very different ideologies in Scotland because of the separation between Unionists and Nationalists. The Nationalists are mostly left-wing (weird I know but it's the same in Wales too). But the Nationalists are also big on the economy because Scotland has oil and they believe they can support themselves on that and a few other industries. There's a weird mix... but maybe this was a nationalist protest? Idk... it's my best guess.