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I am supposed to believe that the state that didn't arrest him for murder launched a conspiracy to establish his guilt?


Most actual conspiracies are shoddily constructed two-bit operations with tons of evidence establishing them because its impossible to keep a secret.
That was the case when we looked at Ilhan Omar's social media and saw years of posts between her and her brother-husband.
And its the case here, where the swap was done so clumsily that Diamond Eugene had already identified herself as the one on the phone, send a signed letter, had her audio released and had a bunch of social media and phone records / text messages confirming their relationship. And then Rachel Jeantel materialized out of nowhere, despite not even resembling or sounding remotely like the real girlfriend, with a different story and lots of texts/phone records showing her coordination with Trayvon's mother.

Real conspiracies don't require massive coordination between shadowy government agencies and men in black and spooky alien music. It just requires a handful of unethical individuals, a tuna sandwich, a clothesline and a bottle of bleach

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The point is if one kid shoves another one in a school they now have a history of violence and schools will even call the police.


You should really tell that to the families of the kids killed by Nicholas Cruz after Obama did his Dear Colleague guidance memo on Title IX.
Amazing how many red flags could get thrown up, how many violence incidents and weapons on school grounds and threats could be made- even to the point of students/staff contacting the FBI- without the school ever calling the police.
All because "zero tolerance" was thrown out the window and replaced with "restorative justice" and "ending the school-to-prison pipeline"
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Dec 5 2019 07:11am
Show that 1 outliar means we should probly keep the school to prison pipeline going? Weird thing to defend.

The funniest part about all this is that George Zimmerman things hes been damaged a 100 million dollars as if anything he could have done in this time period would be worth 100 million dollars. Not only is he a wimp but hes entitled.

Is too bad he couldn't make it as a cop, but that's like saying it's too bad Hitler didn't make it into art school lol. Too bad some other famous murderer didn't find some other more creative outlet.

So Zimmerman is suing mom for damages. Is this because mommy controls the government or as this because the city was going to frame a guy they didn't even arrest for murder? I would like that question answered please.

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So Zimmerman is suing mom for damages. Is this because mommy controls the government or as this because the city was going to frame a guy they didn't even arrest for murder? I would like that question answered please.


They said it better;

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Prosecutors initially had no contact with Eugene except through Fulton, but on April 2, 2012, they insisted on meeting her, so Fulton led them to her residence, it says. They knocked on the door and were referred to a different house, where Jeantel answered and claimed to be Diamond Eugene.

“Defendant Eugene could in no way be mistaken for Defendant Jeantel, who was 2 years older, 5 inches taller, and about 120 pounds heavier than Defendant Eugene. Defendant Fulton was alarmed and immediately called Defendant Eugene, who tweeted at about that same time at 6:27 PM ‘Trayvon Martin Mom just called me’ and at 6:32 PM ‘She thought I was Trayvon Girlfriend, Asking Me Hella Questions,'” the lawsuit said, citing phone records and social media records.

Nevertheless, Fulton went back inside and sat next to Jeantel as she was interviewed, without telling prosecutors “what she knew, that Defendant Jeantel was not Defendant Eugene, that Defendant Jeantel was not Trayvon’s girlfriend, that Defendant Jeantel was not the girl she had met with in her home on March 19, had spoken with 7 times, had texted with some 30 times, had driven back to her home at 2648 Flamingo Drive on March 19,” it continued.

Jeantel was an 18-year-old ninth grader who read at a fourth-grade level, it says.

Martin’s parents both lied repeatedly to cover up the swap, the lawsuit says.

Prosecutor Bernie “de la Rionda ignored the repeated false statements by Defendant Jeantel that he both knew and should have known to be false, including those which contradicted Defendant Eugene’s phone records he had already obtained, and including Defendant Jeantel’s statement that she was 18, even though Defendant de la Rionda knew from Defendant Crump’s public statements that Defendant Eugene was 16,” it said, adding:

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Almost every time Defendant Jeantel made a statement he knew to be false, Defendant de la Rionda asked the question again and again in different ways until Defendant Jeantel’s answer fit his narrative. By the end of the interview, Defendant Jeantel was emotionally exhausted and feeling guilty from her lying and told Defendant de la Rionda six times, almost shouting “I feel guilty” and “real guilty”. When asked why she felt “real guilty”, Defendant Jeantel then stated twice, shouting the second time “I ain’t know about it!”
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They said it better;


The Gloria Allrend deposition does not mention what the motive would be to commit this crime. Why switch witnesses?

Why switch out to a less convincing less real less educated and less articulate individual to take the stand?

That seems like a conspiracy to help George Zimmerman.

No begging the question ffs I know that's the go to here.



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The Gloria Allrend deposition does not mention what the motive would be to commit this crime. Why switch witnesses?

Why switch out to a less convincing less real less educated and less articulate individual to take the stand?

No begging the question ffs I know that's the go to here.


Yeah why would the family and prosecution possibly want to swap an uncooperative witness who refuses to testify and who might not corroborate their racism narrative and knew all about Trayvon's history of drug use / violence, with a compliant and sympathetic witness who recited a script accusing Zimmerman of being a racist stalker out for blood? What possible motive?

I'm guessing you're used to the crackpot form of conspiracy theory constructed to fit a motive and then continuously patched up with excuses when the evidence doesn't match the theory. Like moon landing theorists who posit that the US had a reason to fabricate a mission in order to claim false technological progress in the space race, who then have to fill in all the holes in their theories every time it gets debunked. Like most real conspiracies, this one is instead revealed by the abundant evidence and we have to fill in the blanks of the motivations of individual actors and what they knew and when they knew it, the facts at issue being pretty undeniable. The motives might be mundane, trivial or the product of a comedy of errors or poor strategy, or they might be more insidious, but either way it doesn't change the facts. Thats why I relate this to the Ilhan bro-beau scandal, because it was a particularly absurd and oddly motivated thing for her to do, and yet there was abundant evidence proving beyond a doubt she married her brother- not proving why.

It doesn't take much speculation as to why the family swapped out Eugene for Jeantel. There's a dozen ways she could have blown up their prosecution on cross, especially if she was uncooperative or contradicted their story about Zimmerman being a racist aggressor.
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Yeah why would the family and prosecution possibly want to swap an uncooperative witness who refuses to testify and who might not corroborate their racism narrative and knew all about Trayvon's history of drug use / violence, with a compliant and sympathetic witness who recited a script accusing Zimmerman of being a racist stalker out for blood? What possible motive?

I'm guessing you're used to the crackpot form of conspiracy theory constructed to fit a motive and then continuously patched up with excuses when the evidence doesn't match the theory. Like moon landing theorists who posit that the US had a reason to fabricate a mission in order to claim false technological progress in the space race, who then have to fill in all the holes in their theories every time it gets debunked. Like most real conspiracies, this one is instead revealed by the abundant evidence and we have to fill in the blanks of the motivations of individual actors and what they knew and when they knew it, the facts at issue being pretty undeniable. The motives might be mundane, trivial or the product of a comedy of errors or poor strategy, or they might be more insidious, but either way it doesn't change the facts. Thats why I relate this to the Ilhan bro-beau scandal, because it was a particularly absurd and oddly motivated thing for her to do, and yet there was abundant evidence proving beyond a doubt she married her brother- not proving why.

It doesn't take much speculation as to why the family swapped out Eugene for Jeantel. There's a dozen ways she could have blown up their prosecution on cross, especially if she was uncooperative or contradicted their story about Zimmerman being a racist aggressor.




Some in PaRD don't LIKE truth. It inconveniences them.
This is like... the 15th case like this in the past year.

I just think of them as Smollett-heads.


Fraud, slander, libel are all OK for.. "oppressed" folk. It's their... right !!!
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Dec 5 2019 08:05am
You want the truth ? The guy is a BITCH



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The guy was your average loser and now half of the country wants him hanged. Is anyone surprised that he has gone completely off the rails?

Skinned - You argument is "If Trayvon Martin's girlfriend had exculpatory evidence, the prosecution would not swap her for a less convincing witness."

Yet it appears that she was swapped, so perhaps we shouldn't be assuming the first premise.

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Sorry frenchie but the real purchaser of the Trayvon gun has already been identified:
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-was-the-one-who-bought-george-zimmermans-gun
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