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Nov 27 2019 10:00am
Quote (balrog66 @ 27 Nov 2019 16:56)
How is he a war crimes president?

GWB should be the war crimes president. This is the nepotism president.


well, presidential pardons for war criminals ( https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-warcrimes-pardon/un-troubled-by-trump-pardons-of-officers-accused-of-war-crimes-idUSKBN1XT1LA ) come to mind, and of course:

https://merip.org/2018/02/trumps-drone-surge/
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Nov 27 2019 10:03am
Quote (balrog66 @ Nov 27 2019 10:56am)
How is he a war crimes president?

GWB should be the war crimes president. This is the nepotism president.


He has pardoned 3 war criminals so far, and interfered in the discipline of another, and the discipline of those that covered up his crimes. I'd say he's on that path.
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Nov 27 2019 10:08am
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Yeah that's not nice, but it's fairly minor compared to the war crimes GWB committed. And Obama ordered drone strikes as well, might not be as frequent, but I bet he still has Trump beat in numbers so far.

Trump's really not a great guy, but he's nowhere near being a war criminal. It's odd to me how easy many left-wing people have forgotten the shit GWB pulled (not just abroad, do people even remember the Patriot Act?). So far Trump's just been fairly ineffective, he hasn't accomplished all that much other than the Tax cuts. Mostly due to the Dem majority Congress.
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Nov 27 2019 10:19am
Quote (balrog66 @ 27 Nov 2019 17:08)
Yeah that's not nice, but it's fairly minor compared to the war crimes GWB committed. And Obama ordered drone strikes as well, might not be as frequent, but I bet he still has Trump beat in numbers so far.

Trump's really not a great guy, but he's nowhere near being a war criminal. It's odd to me how easy many left-wing people have forgotten the shit GWB pulled (not just abroad, do people even remember the Patriot Act?). So far Trump's just been fairly ineffective, he hasn't accomplished all that much other than the Tax cuts. Mostly due to the Dem majority Congress.


i doubt that pointing out how trump escalated the drone strikes and pardoned war criminals, even against resistance from the pentagon and his own secretary of defence, means that "left-wing people" have forgotten about the bush war crimes, or obama's terrible track record in that area. the fact that someone else might have been even worse doesn't 'absolve' anyone, and most "left-wing people" are in fact very critical of obama for it.

btw, i point to the patriot act regularly when someone unreflectedly brags about american "freedom", when in fact most western societies are considerably more "free" overall...
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Nov 27 2019 10:25am
Quote (balrog66 @ 27 Nov 2019 16:56)
How is he a war crimes president?

GWB should be the war crimes president. This is the nepotism president.


Arsenic_Touch told you, it's just recent news context. Reason is he want a very, very, solid core of potentially violent people on his side. Not sure if the final intend is on the side of democracy....

GWB's million of iraqi civilians massacre is another story... Which sealed the opinion of many regarding U.S foreign policy.
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Nov 27 2019 10:25am
Quote (fender @ Nov 27 2019 08:35am)
it's an obvious fact though. burisma is literally the only corporation trump was asking about, and plenty of trump appointees confirmed that he was exclusively concerned about the company hunter biden was on, and that he didn't give a shit about corruption in ukraine in general. you know you don't have a very good argument when your best defense is 'well he didn't outright say that he wants a personal favour in exchange for millions of congressionally approved military aid' when it's not only so obvious, but also comfirmed by some of his OWN people that tried to make it happen.

also, trump and mulvaney admitted it on national tv previously, further undermining that silly excuse.

https://i.imgur.com/p8NL1Mk.mp4


He also asked about Crowdstrike. All of the witnesses testimony included election interference. Mulvaney was talking about corruption in general when he said yes that's part of corruption.

Where's this previous tape of Trump admitting it? I'd wager its just as vague as this. Its not fact. If it was I wouldn't be arguing against it.
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Nov 27 2019 10:35am
Trump gives a pass to convicted murderers. He is trash and should be thrown out on his ass.
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Nov 27 2019 10:49am
Quote (balrog66 @ 27 Nov 2019 16:56)
How is he a war crimes president?

GWB should be the war crimes president. This is the nepotism president.


just to be clear: bush's war crimes were indeed significantly worse, and i'm actually with you in that nepotism and self-dealing are probably THE defining aspects of trump's presidency, but that doesn't mean there aren't good arguments to be made, particularly about the unapologetic pardoning of war criminals, that even the pentagon and his own secdef objected to.
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Nov 27 2019 11:35am
Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 27 2019 09:22am)
That antifa IQ hard at work


Zeros gonna zero.
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Nov 27 2019 11:56am
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Quote (cambovenzi @ 27 Nov 2019 14:22)
That antifa IQ hard at work


Fuck up fash. Everyone sees you for what you are.

Take a fucking hike you despicable cretin.
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