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Quote (Drakwen @ Nov 13 2019 07:21am)
Just legalize all of that shit and tax it, that way no more crazy fuckers on the street selling the shit through cartels and etc... buy your coke and heroin at the store and kill yourself with the shit if you want to. Population control, taxable products for the govt. less people in prison for us to pay for. Win win win.


Knockoff carts though.
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Quote (Surfpunk @ Nov 13 2019 12:20am)
This. Substance use and addiction is a public health crisis, and should be treated as such, not as a criminal justice problem.



Agreed.

Hell, Schiff alone, is causing me to consider "self medicating". I say that as a joke, but a joke that's indicative of an underlying reality.

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Substance use should be viewed as a public health concern, and not met with punishment. Countries that implemented this approach have largely seen reductions in substance use and violent crime, and in turn end up saving a lot of money.



Some punishment discourages it still. Problem with just voluntary treatment is most addicts say no thank you or find ways to get around it like using someone else’s urine.

Incapacitate the person for 60 days and he has no choice in getting clean or not.
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Nov 13 2019 07:45am
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Some punishment discourages it still. Problem with just voluntary treatment is most addicts say no thank you or find ways to get around it like using someone else’s urine.

Incapacitate the person for 60 days and he has no choice in getting clean or not.


what do you mean by incapacitate? like in prison? they have lots of drugs in there.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 13 2019 08:45am)
what do you mean by incapacitate? like in prison? they have lots of drugs in there.


Since less than a year it'd be jails.

Jails don't have as good of distribution networks as prisons do. The guys in prisons have years to set up and operate, jails are constantly turning over.

An addict in jail is significantly less probable to find the hard drugs he wants compared one at some rehab facility where he can just go to his dealer and have his cousin pee for him.
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Nov 13 2019 08:22am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Nov 13 2019 09:07am)
Since less than a year it'd be jails.

Jails don't have as good of distribution networks as prisons do. The guys in prisons have years to set up and operate, jails are constantly turning over.

An addict in jail is significantly less probable to find the hard drugs he wants compared one at some rehab facility where he can just go to his dealer and have his cousin pee for him.


have you ever been in jails? lol......

constant turnover brings in drugs, and the people have huber and mule back in drugs all the time.

i have a high school friend that was in jail for 3 months and didnt even have to detox.

the only solution would be a medical coma of some kind. imo.

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have you ever been in jails? lol......

constant turnover brings in drugs, and the people have huber and mule back in drugs all the time.

i have a high school friend that was in jail for 3 months and didnt even have to detox.

the only solution would be a medical coma of some kind. imo.


If you think it's easier or the same difficulty to get drugs in jail idk what to tell you because it's definitely not. Even let's say it is that easy, the addict doesn't have the resources he usually would.
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Nov 13 2019 08:32am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Nov 13 2019 09:31am)
If you think it's easier or the same difficulty to get drugs in jail idk what to tell you because it's definitely not. Even let's say it is that easy, the addict doesn't have the resources he usually would.


How would you know?
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Nov 13 2019 08:34am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Nov 13 2019 09:31am)
If you think it's easier or the same difficulty to get drugs in jail idk what to tell you because it's definitely not. Even let's say it is that easy, the addict doesn't have the resources he usually would.


distribution and drug gangs are more prevalent in prisons. there's a more steady dealer to user stream.

jails with their higher turnover dont have the same steady meta, but they still have a massive amount of drugs being peddled.

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Some punishment discourages it still. Problem with just voluntary treatment is most addicts say no thank you or find ways to get around it like using someone else’s urine.

Incapacitate the person for 60 days and he has no choice in getting clean or not.


this is what you said, your words. and they're dead wrong, they can still get drugs easily.

what are you basing this on? time in jail? time in prison? research? hearsay?

Quote (Skinned @ Nov 13 2019 09:32am)
How would you know?


ding ding ding ding

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Quote (ofthevoid @ Nov 13 2019 07:06am)
Some punishment discourages it still. Problem with just voluntary treatment is most addicts say no thank you or find ways to get around it like using someone else’s urine.

Incapacitate the person for 60 days and he has no choice in getting clean or not.


That doesn't account for the tens of thousands of people murdered every year due to the illicit trade in drugs (the majority in countries like Mexico), nor does it address the crisis in overdose deaths, a huge amount of which are caused by cutting drugs like fentanyl into synthetic opioids or heroin.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2018/p0329-drug-overdose-deaths.html

People are dying in droves, and the fact that a lot of them occur outside the United States doesn't change the fact that the drug war has been an abject failure.
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