Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 10 2019 07:03am)
How about having substantive discussions about the pros and cons of policy instead of obsessing over shitty emotional or moral arguments? Which btw cuts both ways, I dislike the shitty moral hypocrisy by the religious right just as much.
Also note how I wrote "... Democrats claiming the moral high ground", not "... having...". In recent years, all across the world, there is this strong tendency by the political left to frame their own position in moral terms, which is a cheap attempt at discrediting dissenting opinions before they are even formulated. And this pretension of the morally superior position is then often times used to justify calls for restrictions of the freedom of speech against conservatives.
For conservatives, this process is experienced as a sneaky, creeping loss of their voice. Which in turn explains why they are so receptive to politically incorrect and/or populist politicians who forcefully push back against all of this.
Yeah, because the left doesnt try to restrict any rights. Except gun rights. And first amendment rights. And religious liberty. And healthcare choice. And due process rights (see #metoo, Kavanaugh).
Nobody cares about freedom of religion, we also want freedom from it. And christianity isn't the only one, other people get to live here and taking the 10 commandments off of a statehouse isn't a war on religion, it is respecting the line separating church and state.
As for health care you get the same treatment no matter what policy you have and all policies suck....the government Medicaid and medicare are better than commercial insurances and even better than the managed medicares and managed medicaids which are managed by the same shitty commercial insurance companies. Champions of private health care believe that people who have never examined you should be able to tell doctors who have examined you what they should do no matter what the doctor you are working with says. Quit fighting for shitty health care directed by suits that aren't even in a clinical setting, Jesus Christ.
Due process, are you saying that people aren't allowed to talk about their experiences? trials of character are the time to bring up artifacts of the past that might affect public opinion of one's character? Are you so fucking stupid that you believe that the only crimes that exist are those that have been reported and investigated? If someone who did something horrible to you is literally having hearings to test their character open to public inquiry that you should have to be quiet? Definitely maybe.
And gun rights...who do you think American's should own fully automatic weapons? While you're safely in Europe and our homicide and suicide rates are inflated due to easily available of deadly force? What should we do as a response to these alt-right terrorists committing mass murders?
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 10 2019 09:40am)
All your pompous words cant change the fact that "medicare for everyone who wants it" is polling very well, while "medicare for all, and all private insurance will be outlawed" polls very badly. It is your right to personally prefer the latter, but please dont pretend like everyone who disagrees with your personal viewpoint was retarded.
You clearly havent understood the point I was making: in my opinion, moral arguments should not be a driving category in the assessment of policy alternatives at all. On the vast majority of issues, there is no "moral highground" to begin with, so that neither side can realistically claim one.
If the political left wasnt so hellbent on their "if you disagree with our worldview, you're a horrible person"-stance, they'd be a lot more successful in general, and there would be no President Trump. :rolleyes:
it is the political left's fault that the GOP lost the primary to this shitlord? Lindsey Graham was doxxed by him and now regularly washes his balls of television. they are an army of cuckhearts.... the Republican party are such fucking worms lol. They are all like this. Can you believe that there are people who call themselves libertarian that caucus with these guys? No spines. Respect to Amash.
This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 10 2019 09:44am