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Nov 9 2019 07:59pm
Quote (duffman316 @ 9 Nov 2019 21:12)
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1035334044698009600?s=09

It's a tad refreshing to hear a right wing political commentator talking about how tax payers have to subsidize corporate welfare queens who skimp out on paying their employees a living wage forcing everyone else to pick up the tab when those employees go on food stamps and social assistance programs.


Tucker is a fucking Strasserite.
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Nov 10 2019 02:37am
Quote (fender @ 9 Nov 2019 22:24)
the left hates bezos because of his unethical business practices (exploiting tax loopholes, minimum wages, monopolising the market...).
the right hates bezos because he owns the washington post and is critical of trump.


There's certainly some truth to this, but I think it goes beyond just the pro-/anti-Trump schism.

Irrespective from Trump, a lot of conservatives/Republicans are sick and tired of liberals/Democrats claiming the moral high ground on just about every issue, particularly when keeping in mind that their leaders, donors and power players are just as selfish, greedy and corrupt.
Jeff Bezos is the epitome of this hypocrisy.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 10 Nov 2019 09:37)
There's certainly some truth to this, but I think it goes beyond just the pro-/anti-Trump schism.

Irrespective from Trump, a lot of conservatives/Republicans are sick and tired of liberals/Democrats claiming the moral high ground on just about every issue, particularly when keeping in mind that their leaders, donors and power players are just as selfish, greedy and corrupt.
Jeff Bezos is the epitome of this hypocrisy.


oh, i'm sure that a significant percentage of republican voters aren't too fond of greedy, selfish, and corrupt billionaires either, no matter if they're named bezos, koch, or trump - however, they just don't seem to hate them quite as much as non-white people, 'illegals', and 'libs'. so they will keep voting for them, even if it hurts them more than it helps them. and yes, that last part is also true for establishment democrats and their supporters. they aren't much better in that regard, even though their motives might not be quite as despicable.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 10 2019 02:37am)
There's certainly some truth to this, but I think it goes beyond just the pro-/anti-Trump schism.

Irrespective from Trump, a lot of conservatives/Republicans are sick and tired of liberals/Democrats claiming the moral high ground on just about every issue, particularly when keeping in mind that their leaders, donors and power players are just as selfish, greedy and corrupt.
Jeff Bezos is the epitome of this hypocrisy.


If conservatives are mad about losing the moral high ground they should stop championing shitty policy and restricting rights.
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Nov 10 2019 06:03am
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If conservatives are mad about losing the moral high ground they should stop championing shitty policy .


How about having substantive discussions about the pros and cons of policy instead of obsessing over shitty emotional or moral arguments? Which btw cuts both ways, I dislike the shitty moral hypocrisy by the religious right just as much.

Also note how I wrote "... Democrats claiming the moral high ground", not "... having...". In recent years, all across the world, there is this strong tendency by the political left to frame their own position in moral terms, which is a cheap attempt at discrediting dissenting opinions before they are even formulated. And this pretension of the morally superior position is then often times used to justify calls for restrictions of the freedom of speech against conservatives.

For conservatives, this process is experienced as a sneaky, creeping loss of their voice. Which in turn explains why they are so receptive to politically incorrect and/or populist politicians who forcefully push back against all of this.

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...and restricting rights


Yeah, because the left doesnt try to restrict any rights. Except gun rights. And first amendment rights. And religious liberty. And healthcare choice. And due process rights (see #metoo, Kavanaugh).



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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 10 Nov 2019 13:03)
How about having substantive discussions about the pros and cons of policy instead of obsessing over shitty emotional or moral arguments? Which btw cuts both ways, I dislike the shitty moral hypocrisy by the religious right just as much.

Also note how I wrote "... Democrats claiming the moral high ground", not "... having...". In recent years, all across the world, there is this strong tendency by the political left to frame their own position in moral terms, which is a cheap attempt at discrediting dissenting opinions before they are even formulated. And this pretension of the morally superior position is then often times used to justify calls for restrictions of the freedom of speech against conservatives.

For conservatives, this process is experienced as a sneaky, creeping loss of their voice. Which in turn explains why they are so receptive to politically incorrect and/or populist politicians who forcefully push back against all of this.



Yeah, because the left doesnt try to restrict any rights. Except gun rights. And first amendment rights. And religious liberty. And healthcare choice. And due process rights (see #metoo, Kavanaugh).


'the right' gets their panties in a twist over such things black athletes protesting against police brutality, and the free press criticising their emperor, but will claim 'the left' is against free speech for wanting to protect marginalised groups against abuse...

right wing religious zealots won the war over women's self-determination, but somehow it's 'the left' that wants to 'restrict religious liberty'?!

are progressives trying to make sure that people in one of the richest countries in the world don't go bankrupt, or even die because they can't afford healthcare? no, of course not - it's all about 'restricting healthcare choice'. that's why conservatives fight it tooth and nail...



yeah, it's really hard to determine who has the moral highground on those issues...
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are progressives trying to make sure that people in one of the richest countries in the world don't go bankrupt, or even die because they can't afford healthcare? no, of course not - it's all about 'restricting healthcare choice'. that's why conservatives fight it tooth and nail...

https://i.imgur.com/dRIRN5I.png


All your pompous words cant change the fact that "medicare for everyone who wants it" is polling very well, while "medicare for all, and all private insurance will be outlawed" polls very badly. It is your right to personally prefer the latter, but please dont pretend like everyone who disagrees with your personal viewpoint was retarded.



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yeah, it's really hard to determine who has the moral highground on those issues...


You clearly havent understood the point I was making: in my opinion, moral arguments should not be a driving category in the assessment of policy alternatives at all. On the vast majority of issues, there is no "moral highground" to begin with, so that neither side can realistically claim one.



If the political left wasnt so hellbent on their "if you disagree with our worldview, you're a horrible person"-stance, they'd be a lot more successful in general, and there would be no President Trump. :rolleyes:

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How about having substantive discussions about the pros and cons of policy instead of obsessing over shitty emotional or moral arguments? Which btw cuts both ways, I dislike the shitty moral hypocrisy by the religious right just as much.

Also note how I wrote "... Democrats claiming the moral high ground", not "... having...". In recent years, all across the world, there is this strong tendency by the political left to frame their own position in moral terms, which is a cheap attempt at discrediting dissenting opinions before they are even formulated. And this pretension of the morally superior position is then often times used to justify calls for restrictions of the freedom of speech against conservatives.

For conservatives, this process is experienced as a sneaky, creeping loss of their voice. Which in turn explains why they are so receptive to politically incorrect and/or populist politicians who forcefully push back against all of this.



Yeah, because the left doesnt try to restrict any rights. Except gun rights. And first amendment rights. And religious liberty. And healthcare choice. And due process rights (see #metoo, Kavanaugh).


Nobody cares about freedom of religion, we also want freedom from it. And christianity isn't the only one, other people get to live here and taking the 10 commandments off of a statehouse isn't a war on religion, it is respecting the line separating church and state.

As for health care you get the same treatment no matter what policy you have and all policies suck....the government Medicaid and medicare are better than commercial insurances and even better than the managed medicares and managed medicaids which are managed by the same shitty commercial insurance companies. Champions of private health care believe that people who have never examined you should be able to tell doctors who have examined you what they should do no matter what the doctor you are working with says. Quit fighting for shitty health care directed by suits that aren't even in a clinical setting, Jesus Christ.

Due process, are you saying that people aren't allowed to talk about their experiences? trials of character are the time to bring up artifacts of the past that might affect public opinion of one's character? Are you so fucking stupid that you believe that the only crimes that exist are those that have been reported and investigated? If someone who did something horrible to you is literally having hearings to test their character open to public inquiry that you should have to be quiet? Definitely maybe.

And gun rights...who do you think American's should own fully automatic weapons? While you're safely in Europe and our homicide and suicide rates are inflated due to easily available of deadly force? What should we do as a response to these alt-right terrorists committing mass murders?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 10 2019 09:40am)
All your pompous words cant change the fact that "medicare for everyone who wants it" is polling very well, while "medicare for all, and all private insurance will be outlawed" polls very badly. It is your right to personally prefer the latter, but please dont pretend like everyone who disagrees with your personal viewpoint was retarded.





You clearly havent understood the point I was making: in my opinion, moral arguments should not be a driving category in the assessment of policy alternatives at all. On the vast majority of issues, there is no "moral highground" to begin with, so that neither side can realistically claim one.



If the political left wasnt so hellbent on their "if you disagree with our worldview, you're a horrible person"-stance, they'd be a lot more successful in general, and there would be no President Trump. :rolleyes:


it is the political left's fault that the GOP lost the primary to this shitlord? Lindsey Graham was doxxed by him and now regularly washes his balls of television. they are an army of cuckhearts.... the Republican party are such fucking worms lol. They are all like this. Can you believe that there are people who call themselves libertarian that caucus with these guys? No spines. Respect to Amash.

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this isn't the first time tucker has called out amazon, but that might be because trump has been slamming amazon over taxes since he was on the campaign trail.
although trump apparently gets some of his policy from tucker carlson. maybe they are the same person
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 10 2019 06:42am)
If conservatives are mad about losing the moral high ground they should stop championing shitty policy and restricting rights.

"shitty" is opinionated.
i am pro-constitutional rights as most conservatives are. i believe in nationalism over globalism.
i believe california can be as shitty as it wants to be, as long as it doesn't raise my taxes in michigan, or effect the policy here.

i believe that the "green new deal" is a complete joke. since that and impeachment have been the only "policy" from the left... i think your opinion is wrong. but it's yours to make.
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Nov 12 2019 08:21am
If it's a choice between soak the rich populism and fear the darkies populism, we all know how Tucker chooses. He's a phony.
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