Then no gun for you.

I think something is wrong here and the etiology of that problem is cultural and has to do with socialization.

We have had guns, mental illness, and religious freedom for a over a century peacefully by this point and this sudden development with young isolated males with no outlet just exploding has to have a source that is not as under determined as these things that have never been a problem before are suddenly a major problem.

The etiology isn't what people think it is but it is easier to want to write a law that affects other people without admitting the role we all play in this phenomenon.

With all this said, The United States has a long history of secret policing, secret incarceration, concentration camps, and doing all kinds of deplorable things in the name of public health, and right now we have a sovereign who does not respect human rights at all.

This post was edited by Skinned on Aug 11 2019 06:01am

I get it more now.

Do you think these aspects play a (significant) role in this?

• Helicopter parenting
  
• No major war going on (people with violent thoughts would maybe tend towards joining army)
  
• More strictly enforced social standards due to the internet policing
  

Just spitballing here, and interested in your thoughts.

Technically you cant implement it:

- Constitution wrote "in the stone"
- Natural fear against a super-central government
- Disparity and disagreement in-between states
- Guns manufacturers & associated "political/propaganda" lobbies
- Long term view not compatible with politics
- Large part of people who, in their heart, don't care about mass shootings or gun violence (till it happen to them or their family)
- Turds posting long tirades with some kind of fatalism smell when asking them simple questions.

I have an idea tho:

You can have guns only if you are a part of a militia, meaning some kind of popular "jury" vote is required to give you the right to own gun(s). At least 5 people ?

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Aug 11 2019 06:17am

Helicopter parenting is one reason..
Nurture Shock is an excellent book whose theme is "we've been too nice to kids and its backfired" as far as setting expectations super high and telling them how special they are all the time etc.

Parents are one agent of socialization.

These freedoms because a problem when mixed with individuals who were heavily socialized on the internet.

Think young individuals with access to hardcore pornography and actual videos of people dying. I don't want to do the "in my day" thing but in my day we had to bury playboys on the woods and take turns looking at it, and if you got a faces of death tape that shot was shocking and impossible to get through. These things affect people negatively....if either of us started consuming these regularly we would become worse people this is a fact, and we are developed brains with static personalities.... now compare us to the developing brain still forging those neural pathways and still developing a personality....that stuff is now built right in. This is a major factor in the etiology of this.

Also television writing is lazy and relies on sex for humor all the time. Even shows about nerds are misogynist....if you're a awkward autistic guy and television tells you that you should have a hot chick anyway but in RL Stacy if fucking Chad you're going to internalize that shit watching it day in and day out.

This problem will not be solved any time soon be is nobody is actually thinking about it in any meaningful way, in terms of public discourse.

Psyche and society are similar and we have been using some pretty maladaptive coping skills and defense mechanisms. I think a dressing agents of socialization is going to be the solution. That and dealing with the humans who are already broken.

Conservatives here may take me saying agents of socialization
and compare it eroding tradition and the homosex agenda; they are wrong. There have always been gay people and it has never been a problem for society. Only a fool would say that this stuff is a teleological consequence of that.

This post was edited by Skinned on Aug 11 2019 06:33am

The system works pretty well when its given all the relevant information. From the shooters that obtained weapons legally one should have been flagged in the system for a domestic violence conviction that the air force didn't disclose and one should have been flagged for psych reasons since the schools and local LEO's dealt with him multiple times over the same issues. I'd say funding NICS and if anything getting local agencies to enter all information into the system that would disqualify someone from a purchase would be a good start.

This post was edited by tman65ky on Aug 11 2019 07:09am

The stigmas around mental health are ignorant and terrible
Political tribalism is rampant

And they will be used to prevent ownership by people that those in power disagree with. Law abiding citizens will have their rights trampled and they will be demonized

First comes infringing on the right and preventing purchases then comes disarming in the name of safety while selling bullshit to an overly scared public that responsible gun owners and gun owning supporters are nuts (which already happens) that care more about gun worshiping than innocent lives.

It's not only a trampling on the rights that protect and help protect the poor it will be a direct assault on the progress that we have made with mental health. It will be weaponized for politics even worse than it always is. Those that are not violent and just need healing will be demonized and used as political pawns. Those right of center will be misrepresented and those like me on the left who have been on the left for decades will be mislabeled gun loving psychos brain washed by the gun nut right wing.
Non violent citizens with conservative leanings are blamed for violence they did not commit or condone.

Sacrificing rights of the poor and the law abiding while using corpses to push the agenda is unacceptable

This post was edited by Beowulf on Aug 11 2019 07:19am

Nothing is preventing registration but the collective will of the NRA and other shooting enthusiasts.

Licences are already unconstitutional. No, the feds can't just "do anything they want." It has long been court precedent that the government does not have power to condition a right with a license or tax. They have also ruled that such licenses may be ignored and the rights engaged with impunity.

Agree 100% of the Licenses argument, there is no need for a FOID card or licenses to purchase, that's what NICS is for. If anything we should look at how we can improve the NICS system including hiring more personnel, ensuring all computer equipment is functional, and most importantly having all these alphabet soup agencies that we're already paying for to put the stuff in the system that should be in the system.

I'd also like to see free training offered to people, if the NRA would quit spending money on private jets and 6 star resorts for the executives there should be more than enough money to fund free training programs in every county in the US.

Some mass killers we catch first and some we dont that's the cold hard reality. Some are incompetent sometimes we get lucky and a family member or some rand prevents it in one way or another.

It's gonna happen. We can help how we cover it we can get people more prepared in case of emergency all sorts of things we can do that infringe on no rights.

More control will get put in and a killer will still get a gun and more murders will happen and that's when the confiscation rhetoric starts

All the people saying that won't happen while supporting this sort of thing will support that rhetoric and itll be parroted on Democrat campaign trails

You might switch weapons of a killer, maybe, but there will still be and will always be those that will try and those that succeed

Either they still get guns anyway and we switch to confiscation talk or they make explosives and we start banning and controlling even more store items and killers still kill. It's just punishing law abiding people for the blood on killer's hands for false senses of safety