well, dems hope it'll make at least some on the right aware that the report actually does not at all say 'no collusion, no obstruction', but rather 'just short of criminal conspiracy, but not for a lack of trying - and also a whole lot of obvious obstruction that literally every other single person not protected by the moronic OLC guideline would have been charged for'...

that said, i agree with your conclusion, cultists gonna cult, they are happy with the spin - so why would they care about what's actually in the report?

Yeap!

Testimony? We have his report and that's all we get. The DOJ will claim rights of privileged information. Congress is not above the judicial branch. I'll be surprised if any new information comes out of this.

This is kind of painful to watch. Mueller isn't doing a great job at all recalling what's in the report. His standard response is "I'll refer you to the report", as if that is a suitable replacement for discussing the facts. His answers are also a little sloppy when he does discuss the facts.

Also, Democrats aren't exactly helping Mueller out. They ask very specific questions which even the sharpest person wouldn't remember.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jul 24 2019 08:42am

impeachment is near now boys. i bet they dont even leave the floor, i bet they vote right there. unanimous, TRUMP MUST GO. LOVE TRUMPS HATE.

this whole fucking investigation is an m80 with a 12 foot long fuse that turns out to be a dud.

could have spent 4 years building a robocop like candidate to destroy trump in 2020 and instead they drove his approval ratings up and handed billions to media conglomerates to lie to the public for profit.

The results of this investigation would've taken down any other president. The standard at the beginning was "no collusion", and since a conspiracy wasn't found, the multiple instances of bad behavior get forgotten about.

He’s coming off as an old, bumbling fool, who’s constantly tripping over his own words.

“The years have clearly taken a toll on Mueller. He’s not the same guy we’re used to seeing over the years. - NBC reporter

Jim Jordan - *quotes the mueller report

Bob - “I don’t agree with your assessment”

Jim Jordan - “....I’m quoting you, dumbass”

as i said in the start. too high of a standard with people believing Trump was some Putin plant who worked hand in hand to dupe the american people and steal and election. people got worked up, and people make a lot of dumb choices when they're eyes are filled with delicious tears.

there never was a connection between trump and the Russian govt in earnest, as i said at the start. this is the fucking KGB, did people think they handed you a receipt and validated your parking for the Kremlin parking ramp?

this whole thing was a waste of time and money that just enriched the media companies. it was driven by them for them to make cash. they knew all along it wouldnt find shit and they could report on mundane detail after mundane detail. and that people wouldnt get tired of the lack of new real finds.

2016 was lost. they should have focused on 2020. it was like the saints trying to get the call overturned after they lose in the playoffs. did they expect the NFL to have a rehosted game and put off the superbowl another week? its hard to take an L in the modern era, people need to be humbled.

I guess you can..... uh.... frame it as "currying favor with their media allies" to give it a positive spin?!


I'm not sure about the robocop candidate though. I think the core of their struggle is that large parts of their agenda are not very popular with the broader pulbic, while their activist base is hell bent on pushing these things through. The choice of the candidate cant really solve this problem.

At the same time, Trump has proven very good at keeping his base energized and happy. So perhaps it actually was good strategy to inject extra energy into their own rank and file via the Mueller probe and all the surrounding hysteria. Perhaps their best bet for 2020 is indeed to use outrage over everything Trump as an extra boost which barely gets them across the finish line.

And even if one concludes that the Mueller probe was not helpful electorally, it still cast a shadow of doubt over Trump's presidency and his legitimacy, which might have prevented him from enacting even more items from his platform.

Stymieing Trump's momentum between Nov 16 and summer 17, and thus stopping his presidency dead in its tracks, was perhaps the primary objective of the entire Mueller probe, and it succeed in this sense.