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Nov 10 2018 01:30pm
Quote (Golden_Order @ Nov 10 2018 12:23pm)
1) There is no embargo from the USA.

2) If we had a good working economy, we wouldnt be affected by Saudi's oil price manipulation.

3) Chavez started the socialist policies that destroyed the foundations of the venezuelan economy. Maduro just continued what Chavez started. The destruction of the oil industry began in 2002, the expropiations of private industries and private productive lands started in 2003-2004-2005. Even when oil price was very high around 2008, we began to see scarcity is a low scale, but if was beginning to happen.

Wikipedia can be written, edited and manipulated by whoever wants to do it. I will repeat here what I have said since I started posting here in 2013: internet graphics, statistics, etc, mean nothing to me and to us venezuelans. We have seen first hand how all of that is manipulated aimed for international propaganda. Inside Venezuela we could clearly see all those statistics, charts, graphs, whatever bullshit is it said in wikipedia or any other website, its all BS when you are seeing first hand the opposite.


You sound like our Republicans who live in the South and vote Republican based on lies. Conservatism is apparently a mental disorder which prevents people from acknowledging the truth.
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Nov 10 2018 01:43pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Nov 10 2018 03:30pm)
You sound like our Republicans who live in the South and vote Republican based on lies. Conservatism is apparently a mental disorder which prevents people from acknowledging the truth.


What? I dont know what you mean or what do republicans or democrats or any other USA party have to do with anything I said. Sorry, I dont get it.

What Im talking is from my experience living all my life in Venezuela. Except 1 or 2 years I lived in the USA studying/learning english.

This post was edited by Golden_Order on Nov 10 2018 01:46pm
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Nov 10 2018 03:52pm
Maybe Churchill was right... some populations just aren't capable of self-governance.
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Nov 10 2018 04:05pm
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 10 2018 04:52pm)
Maybe Churchill was right... some populations just aren't capable of self-governance.


The United States has an obligation to foster good governance in Latin America. But you don't let students run the classroom.
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Nov 10 2018 04:59pm
why posting here ? the last thing usa want to do is to help you, the more shitty is your country the better it is to suck out all its natural ressources at low cost
but you can count on republicans lol
end of story
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Nov 10 2018 05:03pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ 10 Nov 2018 13:30)
You sound like our Republicans who live in the South and vote Republican based on lies. Conservatism is apparently a mental disorder which prevents people from acknowledging the truth.


Yes, people in the south only vote republican based on lies. Not the fact that the democrat party wants to use tax dollars for abortion on demand, take away their guns, allow unrestricted immigration, force them to buy electric cars, and all the while spewing their anti-white catchphrases.

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Nov 10 2018 06:01pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 10 Nov 2018 18:38)
Why can't those animals just fix their country?

Seriously guys, its not hard to not kill others, but i guess your violent tendencies will always control you


One would also think that it's not tooooo hard to run a functioning, prosperous state when your country is in possession of the largest oil reserves in the entire world. Like, seriously: how can you even fuck this up? They even HAD enough resources to fund normal-scale socialism, they were naturally rich enough to cope with the inefficiencies and problems of normal-scale socialism, and they still found a way to run it into the ground.

Venezuela's development over the last couple of years is the textbook definition of "epic fail".
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Nov 10 2018 06:06pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 10 2018 06:01pm)
One would also think that it's not tooooo hard to run a functioning, prosperous state when your country is in possession of the largest oil reserves in the entire world. Like, seriously: how can you even fuck this up? They even HAD enough resources to fund normal-scale socialism, they were naturally rich enough to cope with the inefficiencies and problems of normal-scale socialism, and they still found a way to run it into the ground.

Venezuela's development over the last couple of years is the textbook definition of "epic fail".


Their current troubles were due to low prices. When you only have one resource and the price of that resource falls, well you're screwed.

Also, it's arguably easier to stay stable without resources the whole world will fuck you over to get. They should have used the resources to do like the Norwegian countries are doing and invest in technology.
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Nov 10 2018 06:09pm
At least command economies aren't innately evil like capitalism though right?


Quote (inkanddagger @ Nov 10 2018 01:30pm)
You sound like our Republicans who live in the South and vote Republican based on lies. Conservatism is apparently a mental disorder which prevents people from acknowledging the truth.


Quote (Golden_Order @ Nov 10 2018 01:43pm)
What? I dont know what you mean or what do republicans or democrats or any other USA party have to do with anything I said. Sorry, I dont get it.

What Im talking is from my experience living all my life in Venezuela. Except 1 or 2 years I lived in the USA studying/learning english.



Inkanddagger is a delusional ideologue much like the ones that ruined Venezuela, bear no mind.

This post was edited by FGdumpster on Nov 10 2018 06:12pm
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Nov 10 2018 06:11pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 11 Nov 2018 01:06)
Their current troubles were due to low prices. When you only have one resource and the price of that resource falls, well you're screwed.

Also, it's arguably easier to stay stable without resources the whole world will fuck you over to get. They should have used the resources to do like the Norwegian countries are doing and invest in technology.


The low prices also shafted the budgets of the Saudis, the Qataris, the Russians, and so on. All those countries found ways to use their oil-driven wealth to diversify their economy, as you say, or to at least prepare some funds for bad times.
I am fully aware of how Venezuela got to where it is today - I'm just dumbfounded by the unimaginable incompetence required to even pull this off.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 10 2018 06:11pm
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