So mad

Putin only favored Trump because he was a real American looking to deal honestly with Russia. He understood that the invasion of Crimea was simply a justified seizure of land, totally within the rules of international treaties. After all, any land where people speak Russian is justifiably a Russian territory.

It's only a coincidence that Trump's rhetoric is totally contrary to his administration's actions vs. Russia.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jul 3 2018 07:38pm

Although i reiterated about a dozen times why Russia taking over Crimea was justified at least in Russias eyes i'll do it again.

We can probably both agree that Ukraine has shifted away from being friendly w/Russia. What do you think would of happened to Russias biggest warm water military port that houses it's southern fleet as Ukraine shifts closer to NATO?

Secondly, Crimea in reality was not historically Ukrainian land. It was essentially signed over to Ukraine by Kruhschev in 1954, because at that time it didn't really matter since the USSR existed and it was a union similar to the US in some ways. Most of Crimeas population is ethnic Russians, and if you want to look at ownership from a historical perspective, the Russians have held Crimea for hundreds of years.

Violate borders because our neighbors don't choose to be vassal states. That'll convince Trump and Rohrabacher.

Really you argue that America should play with kid gloves because the nations around Russia choose to side with the West. Are you against them choosing?

This post was edited by IceMage on Jul 3 2018 08:08pm

"chooses"

The same way many South American & South-eastern Asians "choose" to side with us during the cold war. I'm not against anyone choosing, i'm just not naive enough to think the world is black and white. From Russias point of view this was an absolute threat to it's national security so they acted accordingly something to be expected from any country whether it's Russia, China or us.

If southern California decided to split from the US today would you be against them choosing to do so knowing the fact that we will be losing our largest military infrastructure on the west coast?

Bump

The preference was to spread disinformation and cause chaos as a result

AKA right now you're doing what putin wants you to do

Thanks for proving my point (and you didn't deny that Putin would want to help trump), Trump is king of spreading disinformation.

Bold made me chuckle, i'll give you credit that was kinda funny.

Hillary lost. Time for ya all to put on your big boy pants and deal with it.