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Jul 7 2016 05:50am
It completely delegitimizes the Trump University criticisms now.
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Jul 7 2016 05:58am


Quote (EndlessSky @ Jul 7 2016 05:50am)
It completely delegitimizes the Trump University criticisms now.


Clinton's poor handling of an email server negates Trump running a glorified ponzi scheme?

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Jul 7 2016 06:05am
Quote (Knaapie @ Jul 7 2016 05:54am)
Then make another electable ^ I'm afraid we have passed that point though


The Democrats haven't even held the DNC yet, where they could EASILY nominate Sanders.

To use an Obamaism: Let me be clear, this is not an "either we indict Clinton and we elect Trump or we don't indict Clinton to save ourselves from Trump."

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Clinton's poor handling of an email server negates Trump running a glorified ponzi scheme?


Clinton's handling of classified information utterly disqualifies her from serving as President.

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Jul 7 2016 06:10am
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Clinton's handling of classified information utterly disqualifies her from serving as President.


The FBI disagrees
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Jul 7 2016 06:20am
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Can't stop presidential politics over incompetence in emailing though.

It just isn't criminal in our justice system without intent. Serious intent too, not the slippery slope intent resident libertarians are talking about either.

Also nothing bad happened, an important detail.


As I mentioned, I do not object to the FBI's decision in isolation.

However, it is abundantly clear that Hillary Clinton has repeatedly lied to the American public about this situation.

So something bad has happened. Our future president is exceptionally untrustworthy. I argue that it is our civic duty to hold our leaders and government to high standards and demand that they be transparent and honest.

I think that we are so wrapped up in the implications of this decision on the presidential race that we are forgetting what it all means in the larger scope of things. We are so used to our government and public servants being dishonest that we hardly see any issue with it when all the facts are presented to us.

I'm not sure why Hillary being the lesser evil compared to Donald Trump is good enough for most Americans, as if that fact alone enables us to turn a blind eye to the blatant problems with the prospect of a Hillary Clinton presidency. Many Americans look at this situation and say "So what? She lied and she's done some sketchy stuff? She's been in politics for decades, that's normal."

Dishonesty and corruption are our new normal, and that's a problem. Americans now accept a baseline amount of these items in their future president and their government. As long as we find ourselves saying things like "So what? She repeatedly lied to us. Big deal." then we have no right to complain when our government is dishonest with us or demonstrates a lack of transparency.

The entire scandal, the FBI, the emails, the private servers and all that jazz aside, Americans should be outraged that their likely next President so blantatly lied to them - over and over again. As long as we set our bar for honesty and integrity in government and leadership so low, then we get what we deserve in that department.
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However, it is abundantly clear that Hillary Clinton has repeatedly lied to the American public about this situation.

Well duh, she's a politician. What did you think she was going to do?

Breaking news: water is wet, bears shit in woods, politicians tell lies.

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Jul 7 2016 08:14am
Interesting thought I had.

(not bothering to go back farther)
Ronald Reagan: used propaganda to demonize insubordinate populations
George Bush Sr.: Shady exit of Iraq war 1 plus other shady deals in skirmishes
Bill Clinton: blowjobs in the oval office
George Bush Jr.: Shady pretence for war that destabilized Middle east, patriot act
Obama: Drone war, perpetuated and exploited unconstitutional patriot act bullshit

so basically we havent had a "trustworthy" potus in decades. At least we know the bullshit this one will try before she sits the oval office instead of after they leave or after they pull it. IMO HRC will be the most surveyed and watchdogged potus of all time, under the most scrutiny of any leader perhaps in the history of the world.
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Jul 7 2016 08:16am
House Oversight Committee is interviewing Comey right now.
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Jul 7 2016 08:32am
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This is a textbook example of the preeminence of the rich and powerful in America, and the corruption of the US federal government is on full display.


Applies to republicans too imo, just your whole system is like that.
Same kind of harrass-joke was done for Bill Clinton btw, one of the first line accusator was Dennis Herpes...
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jul 7 2016 06:32am)
Applies to republicans too imo, just your whole system is like that.
Same kind of harrass-joke was done for Bill Clinton btw, one of the first line accusator was Dennis Herpes...


wouldn't be a pard thread without sauci making a hastert post
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