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Apr 7 2016 06:40pm
Quote (312 @ Apr 7 2016 07:07pm)
Not a huge dem supporter, but how can you possibly want anyone else at this point?

Trump is totally competent, experienced, smart on policy, arrogant and honest, egotistical, and seems to be a patriot. (I don't think I need to say much more...)


I think you pretty much nailed it good job buddy...glad trump has your vote

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The GOP is literally anti-democratic. They have been working on voter suppression to get their way for awhile. What about that narrative is inconsistent with their character?


what does this even mean? The sky is blue? so confused

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Apr 7 2016 06:47pm
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Sanders understands how broken the entire system is the only one trying to propose ideas to fix it. While $15 minimum wage seems strange to you, it was under $2 in the 70s (ya inflation, yaaydaydaydyaa). So the change now doesn't seem that drastic. The biggest thing people hate is to think that fast food and entry level retail workers will get paid $15 for simple, non-experienced work.

Sanders is HEAVY in fighting big corps from avoiding paying taxes......logical....there shouldn't be loop holes to avoid paying taxes.

Sanders is trying to take away greed and, whether you like it or not, greed is an enormous issue in the U.S. I cannot believe how you don't understand the issue with greed.....


Sanders is honest, fighting actual issues, and a good candidate for the position.





All i want is a stable economy, cannabis legalization which promotes thousands of jobs in each state (not even a user, but the it being illegal is ridiculous), and people who make logical, rational decisions for the actual benefit of the majority of society.



fairy-tale world.




all Hilary does is lie, that's it.


The 1970's were almost 50 years ago man. It's only barely tripled since then. Bernie wants to MORE THAN double it -- without ANY consideration of the consequences for employment, small business, and the labor market. (Regarding your fast-food worker comment: No. The "biggest thing I hate" has nothing to do with fast-food employees -- it is that labor costs will go through the roof, leading to mass layoffs to cut costs (i.e. unemployment), and in lower-income areas will lead to small businesses folding).

Regarding your anti-corporate rant: Corporations aren't going to pay taxes they don't have to legally. I don't think we need a president "taking on" the big corporations, I need a president who can work with them, get some tax money out of them, but also ensure that they are being socially responsible (NOT pure antagonism).

Like it or not this country is a corporate country. That doesn't have to be a bad thing -- I don't think the correct approach to it is "FUCK CORPORATIONS".... They do a lot of positive things too (I'd argue mostly positive).

/end anti-Bernie rant

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Apr 7 2016 06:50pm
now which one of these people has the ability to create jobs in the country? if you can answer that question than you know who the true leader of the bunch is
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Apr 7 2016 06:52pm
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what does this even mean? The sky is blue? so confused


The Republican party has been doing voter suppression to win elections and push their agenda for quite some time. They do not respect democracy.

I'm not sure why you're confused, here is what you said:

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If trump goes in with the most delegates and doesn't get the nomination i'll be super pissed off and never vote republican again...also will just write his name in voting machine even if he doesn't run a third party


Again I'll spell it out for you: they don't care what you think or what, or what the body politic wants, or who anybody votes for. They only care about winning.
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Apr 7 2016 06:54pm
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The 1970's were almost 50 years ago man. It's only barely tripled since then. Bernie wants to MORE THAN double it -- without ANY consideration of the consequences for employment, small business, and the labor market. (Regarding your fast-food worker comment: No. The "biggest thing I hate" has nothing to do with fast-food employees -- it is that labor costs will go through the roof, leading to mass layoffs to cut costs (i.e. unemployment), and in lower-income areas will lead to small businesses folding).

Regarding your anti-corporate rant: Corporations aren't going to pay taxes they don't have to legally. I don't think we need a president "taking on" the big corporations, I need a president who can work with them, get some tax money out of them, but also ensure that they are being socially responsible (NOT pure antagonism).

Like it or not this country is a corporate country. That doesn't have to be a bad thing -- I don't think the correct approach to it is "FUCK CORPORATIONS".... They do a lot of positive things too (I'd argue mostly positive).

/end anti-Bernie rant


1. Do you honestly believe that he doesn't take those very simple consequences that EVERYONE points out into consideration? I'm not totally agreeing with a minimum wage increase, but it inevitably happens over time. It also just doesn't happen over night, it's incremental.


2. there SHOULDN'T BE TAX LOOP HOLES! Period.......


3. I'm not anti-corp. But there are more than enough continuous problems and you cannot deny that. I live in Massachusetts and currently all over the news, GE headquarters is moving into Boston. They are receiving numerous benefits and tax cuts. It's getting a lot of publicity. I, however, see as a big positive for the city and surrounding towns.


New jobs
People moving to city will need housing
thousands of people at this job will need to eat
Construction brings hundreds of jobs
More companies see the overall positive experience of GE and consider moving to boston as well.

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Apr 7 2016 06:55pm
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Not a huge dem supporter, but how can you possibly want anyone else at this point?

Drumpf is totally incompetent, inexperienced, dumb on policy, arrogant and rude, egotistical, and seems to be a maniac. (I don't think I need to say much more...)

Cruzis a whacky fundamentalist with far-right positions (abolish the IRS? a flat-tax for EVERYTHING? Seriously?). No one that works with him likes him + the establishment is only getting behind him to stop Drumpf.

Sanders says a lot of things that liberals like but that are utterly ridiculous / pie-eyed (15$ min wage? Get real.) He doesn't have the political chops to compromise or cut deals. Also, he acts as if "millionaires and billionaires" don't contribute anything to society, and that "greed" is the only thing standing in the way of economic prosperity. It's a liberal cartoonish depiction of the country that rallies liberals but is dumb. Plus, he will divide the country even more.


By process of elimination that leavesClinton. I'm not saying she's a perfect specimen, but she is by far the most experienced and has demonstrated the ability to work with both political parties fairly positively.

In a perfect world, maybe the GOP puts forward a white knight at the convention -- but that seems unlikely at this point.


Talk me out of Hillary please. Who else can I possibly support???


GTFO, Sanders for the win, had enough of the same old story.. that reason and that reason alone is enough to vote for him.
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Apr 7 2016 06:59pm
Quote (Skinned @ Apr 7 2016 06:39pm)
The GOP is literally anti-democratic. They have been working on voter suppression to get their way for awhile. What about that narrative is inconsistent with their character?


The GOP for over 100 years nominated their candidates in a republican fashion, by electing delegates who selected the candidate. Then 40 years ago, the GOP decided we should start selecting our candidates like the Democrats do (democratically), and it's been all downhill since. Further proof that republicanism is better than democracy.
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Apr 7 2016 07:01pm
If any woman in daily pantsuits is ever going to get my vote to be president it's going to be Dana Scully
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Quote (Beowulf @ Apr 7 2016 06:19pm)
Benghazi


Trail of bodies a lot longer than that...
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Apr 7 2016 07:03pm
Quote (stupidkid282 @ Apr 7 2016 07:54pm)
1. Do you honestly believe that he doesn't take those very simple consequences that EVERYONE points out into consideration?


2. there SHOULDN'T BE TAX LOOP HOLES! Period.......


3. I'm not anti-corp. But there are more than enough continuous problems and you cannot deny that. I live in Massachusetts and currently all over the news, GE headquarters is moving into Boston. They are receiving numerous benefits and tax cuts. It's getting a lot of publicity. I, however, see as a big positive for the city and surrounding towns.


New jobs
People moving to city will need housing
thousands of people at this job will need to eat
Construction brings hundreds of jobs
More companies see the overall positive experience of GE and consider moving to boston as well.


(1) The point is you can't smooth the employment and market effects of a 100% increase to the minimum wage. It has never been done in the history of this country, and there is probably unforeseen fall out beyond the labor market and small business effects I laid out.

(2) Define "Tax loop hole," please. Is sheltering money in an investment property AVOIDING taxes? Yes. It is lawful. Congress grants a deduction for that purposefully, though. The line between a "loop hole" and "avoidance" is thinner than you think.

And guess what? Every time Congress taxes something new, a corporation may or may not find a way to avoid it. Is that wrong? No. Does it mean the Congress may want to close the hole? Perhaps.

No shit no one wants blatant "loop holes," where intended revenue is saved by corps. However, the law is the law -- there's lawyers in the world to help avoid them.

(3) Agreed. The Boston example is a good one. I think certain investment practices can probably be reigned in by better regulation (to avoid things like 2008). Regardless, I don't think Bernie appreciates corporations enough.
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