You do what is necessary for your own innocent people not to die. It will never be black and white that issue will always be gray. The issue is what you said and I will repeat it that there is no guarantee that segregating your own people, in addition to open torture of terrorist and their families will do anything to stop the threat. There is a way to politic and there is a way not to. Considering there hasn't been a major terrorist attack in our country for the past 15 years I would say that the counter terrorism measures we are following are doing a fine job.

This post was edited by Bazi on Mar 23 2016 04:29pm

This argument reminds me of gun crime in countries with gun laws.

YES, if you have a very low proportion of people with said issue in question (guns/islamic) your proportion of crime relating to those things is going to be VERY low.

How is this a surprise?

The United States is a bad example because the numbers of Muslims coming here is so insignificant that for the most part they assimilate within the culture without much friction. Why don't we take a look at Europe instead?

A quick google search has rendered these results though. Not talking about Muslims specifically but you get the point.











This post was edited by ofthevoid on Mar 23 2016 04:36pm

I made no claim of the Muslims in Asia or Europe who are subjugate to lesser educations and come from more primitive societies. Of course there is an issue with radical Islam in that part of the world and I am in favor of action in that region.

However my post had nothing to do with that demographic, nor was the post I was responding to. The post I was responding to was speaking directly about American Muslims, and so was my original post. Your response is not a valid refutation. Thank you for playing.

This post was edited by Bazi on Mar 23 2016 04:44pm

I'm not refuting that Muslims in the US don't commit a disproportionate amount of crime. The reason that we don't see that compared to Europe in my opinion is simple and two fold. First of all it's because Muslim migration to the states is so small and dispersed that it's nearly impossible for these populations to form these enclaves that usually breed crime. Secondly in the United States unlike Europe we would have an adequate response. Europeans would call it heavy handed but you need to have deterrence to reduce crime. When you can just come into a country and the worst sentence for committing sexual assault is temporary deportation that's not much of a deterrent.

Just because there are more domestic murders, doesn't mean radical Islam isn't the largest threat. Have you considered the attacks that have been stopped. Or the many agencies we have that protect us against this form of terrorism?

I agree that we need to focus more attention on poverty and murder, but militant Islam is a very serious threat to our country.

Its a lose lose, if we try to address the amount of black people murdering people we're racist anyways so fuck it.

Not as much of a liar as any politician who claims climate change is the #1 threat to the United States of America.

Muslims do commit a disproportionate amount of crime in this country. Disproportionately lower. Anyway if you weren't refuting that then thats fine and I am making no claims on terrorism occurring in Europe since there are plenty of other variables in play. Regarding this post, yes Muslims commit disproportionate crime for several reasons. The quantity of migrants is a non factor and historically speaking the number should be temporarily inflated regardless of X% of incoming, as it is with any migrant population. The fact that it isn't is a testament to screening methods

Your second point I agree but don't think it is the main mechanism in play. There are indeed two big reasons that I can think of off the top of my head. One being to the quality of screening methods for new entries and other applies to those residing here for 1+ generation. Statistically speaking that demographic is higher educated in comparison to the average American and demographics with higher education have reduced average incidence of unlawful activities.

This post was edited by Bazi on Mar 23 2016 05:32pm

...quite simply , you don't understand the ultimate aim of militant Islam or the methods they are willing to employ to achieve it .