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Mar 13 2016 05:41am
Quote (brmv @ 13 Mar 2016 01:05)
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nice distortion by the "partei fuer unvernuft", but that is what libertarians do
in case you didn't know, let me make just two points:
- the "arbeitgeberanteil" is not part of the brutto income
- and why is 'inflation' in that list (doubt monthly inflation is 3%)


Actually the "arbeitgeberanteil" is a part of your brutto income but it´s not listed in your employment contract.
In all objectivity, the Non-wage labour costs + your listed brutto income in the contract are the total cost for your employer.
The difference between the social security contributions made by your listed brutto income (Rentenkasse, Krankenkasse, Pflegeversicherung, Arbeitslosenversicherung, Berufsgenossenschaft) and the Arbeitgeberanteil is just the one who pays the dues to the state, isnt it?

The point "inflation" is miscounted, you´re right. That´s a deficit in this piechart. :mellow:

Compared to your statement to the party i think that they honestly tried to make an overview but without the purpose to deceive the viewer of this piechart.
I think it´s not correct to generalize it for all libertarian parties.^^

Acutally i´ve got another overview of the tax/duties burden. It´s an spreadsheed posted by "Focus" in July 2015.
I will add this overview in this topic soon. :)

This post was edited by waynemaster887 on Mar 13 2016 05:41am
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Mar 13 2016 06:00am
Quote (waynemaster887 @ 13 Mar 2016 11:41)
Actually the "arbeitgeberanteil" is a part of your brutto income but it´s not listed in your employment contract.
In all objectivity, the Non-wage labour costs + your listed brutto income in the contract are the total cost for your employer.
The difference between the social security contributions made by your listed brutto income (Rentenkasse, Krankenkasse, Pflegeversicherung, Arbeitslosenversicherung, Berufsgenossenschaft) and the Arbeitgeberanteil is just the one who pays the dues to the state, isnt it?
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you are wrong in regards to 'brutto'
while the 'arbeitgeberanteil' and the insure (aka 'berufsgenossenshaft') is a cost to the employer it is not part of what you state as brutto (the 'listed brutto income' in your words)
let's do a simple calculation:
for an employee who gets an income stated as 2,000 euro brutto, the 'arbeitsgeberanteil; plus 'berufsgenossenschaft' would according to your pie chart add up to 460 euro meaning that the employe'rs costs are 2,460 euro [ignoring everything else]
from this 300 euro (the 'arbeitsgeberanteil') is ~12.2% and the 160 euro (the 'berufgenossenschaft') is ~6.5%, so they add up to ~18.7% and not 23%
not going through the other calculations which would have to be made to correct the pie chart if one would work on a base of 2,460 euro as brutto income

you might be able to fool some with your pie chart but not all :P

good that you agree that there should be no 'inflation' component
one could argue about some of the other incorrectly listed items but methinks it's a waste of time

edit:

to make it clear for all, you are mixing apples with oranges and
your 31% is a severe understatement and should be at least 57%


This post was edited by brmv on Mar 13 2016 06:16am
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