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Nov 20 2015 11:29am
Quote (El Shadday @ Nov 20 2015 12:23pm)
Assert that most followers of Islam are people of low moral conduct, is not correct.
if so, it would have 1 billion Muslims practicing acts of cruelty every day.


...do you mean cruelty as in honor killings of women , beating them with sticks in public because an ankle was exposed , stoning people to death for adultery , chopping off a hand for stealing a loaf of bread ...those kind of cruelties ? The cruelties imposed by just about every Muslim theocracy the world over by the non-violent , non-militant factions of Islam ?
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Nov 20 2015 11:31am
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When has anyone ever said that there aren't muslims that support isis ? Or al qaeda....

What people are saying you can't paint everyone with the same brush using a small minority of a population.

13 percent of Muslims ( worldwide ) support the groups ....
Well over half don't support those groups ( again worldwide )


The very first poll I linked shows:

Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda.
Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban.
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Nov 20 2015 11:31am
not bad, but i think much of those polls are biased, especially when i see andrew boston & telegraph in the first lines... the bigot spirit is close ! :D

lets go to wikipedia ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism

According to an ICM Research poll in 2006, 20% of British Muslims felt sympathy with the July 7 terrorist bombers' "feelings and motives", although 99 per cent thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity.


in Europe:

(36 vs 64) 64% of Muslims in France believed it could never be justified, 19% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% sometimes, and 6% thought it could be justified often.
(30 vs 70) 70% of Muslims in Britain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 12% sometimes, and 3% thought it could be justified often.
(17 vs 83) 83% of Muslims in Germany believed it could never be justified, 6% believed it could be justified rarely, 6% sometimes, and 1% thought it could be justified often.
(31 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Spain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% sometimes, and 6% thought it could be justified often.

In mainly Muslim countries:

(55 vs 45) 45% of Muslims in Egypt believed it could never be justified, 25% believed it could be justified rarely, 20% sometimes, and 8% thought it could be justified often.
(39 vs 61) 61% of Muslims in Turkey believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 14% sometimes, and 3% thought it could be justified often.
(57 vs 43) 43% of Muslims in Jordan believed it could never be justified, 28% believed it could be justified rarely, 24% sometimes, and 5% thought it could be justified often.
(72 vs 28) 28% of Muslims in Nigeria believed it could never be justified, 23% believed it could be justified rarely, 38% sometimes, and 8% thought it could be justified often.
(31 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Pakistan believed it could never be justified, 8% believed it could be justified rarely, 7% sometimes, and 7% thought it could be justified often.
(29 vs 71) 71% of Muslims in Indonesia believed it could never be justified, 18% believed it could be justified rarely, 8% sometimes, and 2% thought it could be justified often.


So globally theres a serious threat imo, and many of them are angry because western countries acted like fuck for decades.

But this is an interresting point:

Western perspectives

Michael Scott Doran wrote in the journal Foreign Affairs that Islam seemed to be polarised between pro-Western and pro-jihadi mentalities, enabling a clear divide between opponents and proponents of violent action. The International Crisis Group wrote in their 2005 report Understanding Islamism that Islamic ideological and political spectrums were far more diverse than this idea suggests. American policy is unpopular among some Muslims, the report argued, yet this hostility did not directly translate to support for or participation in global jihad, and for political Islamists who support non-violent measures it could not be assumed that they are in agreement with Western agendas.


I bet the concept above will be ignored by bigots in denial, that would prefer to simply exterminate or chase all muslims.
Forgetting (since those people are really stupid) more than 1 billion people are muslims...

Your fault guys. Mission accomplished, congrats.

Keep vote right and agressive politic, you are doing really fine !


regards.
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Nov 20 2015 11:31am
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do these polls include all the big muslim countries?

where is syria?

is Saudi Arabia in there?

Iran?

Iraq?

Afghanistan?

United Emirates?

Yemen?

Oman?

Qatar?

Just to name some that I dont see in that list

I'm not very familiar with all the reagions but I think these are some pretty big ones...

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Nov 20 2015 11:33am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Nov 20 2015 01:31pm)
not bad, but i think much of those polls are biased, especially when i see andrew boston & telegraph in the first lines... the bigot spirit is close ! :D


Ad hominem. If you think the poll is biased, the point out the methodological bias.
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Nov 20 2015 11:34am
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Wenzel Strategies (2012):

58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment.
45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land.

http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2012/10/31/sixty-percent-of-us-muslims-reject-freedom-of-expression





This one is a piece of shit from a piece of shit hack page, Did you check this out at all or just go on a witch hunt? I really am shocked. if you call this anything but pure bullshit
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Nov 20 2015 11:36am
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Ad hominem. If you think the poll is biased, the point out the methodological bias.


It is a genetic fallacy and a poor attempt to poison the well.

Name dropping arbitrary names and associations that have nothing to do with the data points.
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Nov 20 2015 11:36am
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There are many practical and logistical reasons why this is not the case.


you say that these people could make terrorism he do?

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 20 Nov 2015 14:29)
...do you mean cruelty as in honor killings of women , beating them with sticks in public because an ankle was exposed , stoning people to death for adultery , chopping off a hand for stealing a loaf of bread ...those kind of cruelties ? The cruelties imposed by just about every Muslim theocracy the world over by the non-violent , non-militant factions of Islam ?


I admit that you're right.
But it would be a setback believe that religions preach hatred rather than peace.
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Nov 20 2015 11:36am
Note: posting the results of other polls does not dismiss the results of the polls I linked, unless the results directly contradict the results of the polls I linked.

Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ Nov 20 2015 01:34pm)
This one is a piece of shit from a piece of shit hack page, Did you check this out at all or just go on a witch hunt? I really am shocked. if you call this anything but pure bullshit


I would be interested in what the methodological issues are with this poll.

Quote (j0ltk0la @ Nov 20 2015 01:36pm)
It is a genetic fallacy and a poor attempt to poison the well.

Name dropping arbitrary names and associations that have nothing to do with the data points.


Ad hominem not genetic fallacy, but yes I agree with your statement.

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Nov 20 2015 11:44am
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ICM Poll:

40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html


This was a telephone poll done by a newpaper asking if they would like Sharia law in some parts of Britain
This poll was taken immediately after the demonstration that turned into a violent riot in which three people were killed
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