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Jul 31 2015 01:29pm
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There were many important societal reasons for the Muslims of that time to resort to polygamy, and they were more or less noble. A lot of Mohammed's men were dying in those days, and their wives and kids just couldn't have been abandoned. This was before social service agencies :p


Hmmmm, interesting, didn't even think about it that way.
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Jul 31 2015 01:31pm
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There were many important societal reasons for the Muslims of that time to resort to polygamy, and they were more or less noble. A lot of Mohammed's men were dying in those days, and their wives and kids just couldn't have been abandoned. This was before social service agencies :p

it also functioned as a means to secure alliances between tribes via marriage for the pre-Imperial Arabic peoples, so it was an old tradition already when Islam was taking its' form.

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Jul 31 2015 01:38pm
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3 different vantage points that allow them to go into the tomb and not know if the door was open or closed or how many people were there with them?

Like I said - no point asking Christians questions they can't answer. They won't admit to not knowing something.


Here's a quick logic test for you:

Fact: Joe and Suzy are sitting at the bar.

Bob says Joe and Suzy are at the bar.

Fred says Joe is sitting at the bar.

Who is correct?

Factually, both are. One simply provides different information than the other.
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Jul 31 2015 01:39pm
It would be interesting to compare Saudi Arabian culture and beliefs in literature and paintings from pre 570 to see what differences there are in the Koran......
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Jul 31 2015 01:44pm
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It would be interesting to compare Saudi Arabian culture and beliefs in literature and paintings from pre 570 to see what differences there are in the Koran......


"Idolatory and violent sectarianism. They carved and worshipped idols whom they believed to be intermediary to the almighty God. In addition, they had some funny cultures: for example the burying of Female children alive was usual, because women were regarded then as shameful to the family.

Prostitution was also common as were drunkenness."

Just some of it. Pretty sure there is much more.
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Jul 31 2015 01:52pm
I'll reiterate:

1) How many women came to the tomb? One (John)? Two (Matthew)? Three (Mark)? More (Luke)?

2) What were the last words of Jesus? Three gospels have three different accounts of his last words.

3) Was the tomb already open when they got there (Matthew indicates the tomb was open, the other three claim it was closed)?

Please help me keep this thread on my desired topic. I would prefer if any Christians respond to this thread in defense of their religion/the Bible/mocking my questions to instead answer those 3 questions directly.

If you do not wish to respond to those three questions directly, then please do not post here. Sorry, I am trying to keep this thread on this specific topic. Thank you.
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Jul 31 2015 01:56pm
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I'll reiterate:

1) How many women came to the tomb? One (John)? Two (Matthew)? Three (Mark)? More (Luke)?

2) What were the last words of Jesus? Three gospels have three different accounts of his last words.

3) Was the tomb already open when they got there (Matthew indicates the tomb was open, the other three claim it was closed)?

Please help me keep this thread on my desired topic. I would prefer if any Christians respond to this thread in defense of their religion/the Bible/mocking my questions to instead answer those 3 questions directly.

If you do not wish to respond to those three questions directly, then please do not post here. Sorry, I am trying to keep this thread on this specific topic. Thank you.


Look at it this way, they can all be right for the first two questions.

1. All of them where there. One women came and left. John then left. Other three were still there, when another women came. Then Mathew left. Do you get it?

2. Same scenario can be used for last words also.

3. This one I cant come up with an explanation.

Its all relative to the observer.

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"Idolatory and violent sectarianism. They carved and worshipped idols whom they believed to be intermediary to the almighty God. In addition, they had some funny cultures: for example the burying of Female children alive was usual, because women were regarded then as shameful to the family.

Prostitution was also common as were drunkenness."

Just some of it. Pretty sure there is much more.


So they just hated women a little less - So God was like don't worship a golden calf and dont kill children, but sure treat women like 1/2 a human and totally hate and kill gays and anyone who doubts that i only am telling you the truth cause I'm too lazy to tell anyone else and it's time for my nap.

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Look at it this way, they can all be right for the first two questions.

1. All of them where there. One women came and left. John then left. Other three were still there, when another women came. Then Mathew left. Do you get it?

2. Same scenario can be used for last words also.

3. This one I cant come up with an explanation.

Its all relative to the observer.


1 they were all there, same time they claimed.

2 would work if two of these accounts hadn't been 'jesus said X then gave up the ghost'.

3 of course you cant. There isn't one. Except that someone was lying.
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Jul 31 2015 02:17pm
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1 they were all there, same time they claimed.

2 would work if two of these accounts hadn't been 'jesus said X then gave up the ghost'.

3 of course you cant. There isn't one. Except that someone was lying.

that's now how memory works.
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