They dressed differently, had more money and lived in Jewish quarters. There was no need for marks, you could easily tell a Jew apart from a European.

within a short time paul was making changes that jesus never would have approved of.

it doesnt help if church doctrine is to protect jews if they turn a blind eye to their followers massacring them.

How do you know Jesus wouldn't have approved of them? Did you know Paul of Tarsus personally? Did you know Jesus personally? You cannot possibly know that Jesus would have disproved of the approach Paul took.

They didn't take a blind eye to the lay persons who killed them. They preached and pastored about how Jews were people of the book who in end times would convert and accept Jesus as the son of God. Jews were killed for pretty much two reasons, from lesser lay peoples who suffered from poor pastoral care (Which was rampant in the middle ages), which in turn created many myths about Jews that would persist into the modern period. Later Protestant movements that were extremely anti-Semitic (Early Lutheranism especially) are irrelevant. The other reason is secular. Jews were part of the very small medieval middle class, and some more wealthy than many nobles. So by killing (Or at least displacing Jews), it allowed them to claim their wealth.

Jew's living in Europe aren't Europeans?
And yes, they were forced to wear marks...

jesus states multiple times in multiple places to follow the law. paul said not to follow the law. that seems pretty clear that what paul did goes against the teachings of jesus, ergo jesus wouldnt approve.

(for some direct quotes etc related to this, skip to about 33:00 in the video and watch for 5 min or so.)




what did the church do to intervene?

This post was edited by ReturnFormer on Sep 10 2013 04:38pm

Not at that time they weren't. Jews were closer to Arabs than they would have been to their European neighbours, especially in northern areas.

In many places, Jewish dress would have sufficed, and was not a problem because they were already dressed differently. Some individual kingdoms decided the yellow badge was necessary (Aragon, England whom never had a good relationship with Jewish communities, certain German principalities, etc.), but who knows how enforced this would have been, and it's certainly not a universal thing.



That's not proof of anything. That's your own interpretation.

A good example is the Church issuing Papal Bulls during the Black Death for people to not blame the Jews for the illness. Bishops would often hide Jews in the church when violence was about as well. Certain Mendicant orders were anti-Semetic, but widespread anti-Semitism sponsored by Christian religion doesn't appear till the Reformation and it is never endorsed by the Catholic church.

This post was edited by Caedus on Sep 10 2013 04:36pm

how is that interpretation? jesus and his jewish followers said and did one thing, and paul said to do something else. that seems pretty contradictory to me. (for some direct quotes etc related to this, skip to about 32:00 in the video and watch for 6 min or so.) here, ill even bring a quote from a christian source ( http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=4705)



clearly there were christians who still observed the laws, as jesus said to do, and just as clearly, paul was against that.




as i said, anti-semitism is a side point, but heres a few sources. skip to 1:01:00 in the video and watch for a few minutes for some early sources of antisemitic doctrine from people such as justin the martyr and others.

you continue to fight an imaginary battle rofl, most if not all churches would agree with you that jesus is jewish not sure what fantasy world you are living in

rofl, maybe you should read more than one sentence before replying to a post.

The Essenes which was a small Jewish group is really what evolved into Christianity. The Jews blast Christianity which was created by themselves. I don't see why any people should follow Jesus but the Jews. The advice and good teachings in the New Testament would bring ruin to any people that really followed it.