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Jan 10 2013 08:42am
Revelation 21:10-27

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10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11 It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13 There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. 14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15 The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. 16 The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia[a] in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17 The angel measured the wall using human measurement, and it was 144 cubits[b] thick.[c] 18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19 The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.[d] 21 The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass.

22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
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Jan 10 2013 08:44am
Quote (Mastersam93 @ Jan 10 2013 09:37am)
Doesn't Jesus kick him out or something?


"I sort of run this place."

"Oh, really?"

"Well, my dad owns it, but I..."

"oh...you're one of those".

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Jan 10 2013 08:47am
I think that if it exists, it's not a place peope go to, but a new eternal reality, diferent for each person, where people "live" in whichever way they want.

I just can't imagine heaven being a place where souls go, because it wouldn't be a reward to go there if people you love don't make it with you for whatever reason.
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Jan 10 2013 08:51am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Jan 10 2013 09:42am)
Revelation 21:10-27

New International Version (NIV)

10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11 It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13 There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. 14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15 The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. 16 The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia[a] in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17 The angel measured the wall using human measurement, and it was 144 cubits[b] thick.[c] 18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19 The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.[d] 21 The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass.

22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.



Is that the only biblical account of Heaven? What if that is just that particular person's heaven? If he was the only one to see it then everyone would just think that's how it is for everyone, but maybe it's not.

Quote (zarkadon @ Jan 10 2013 09:47am)
I think that if it exists, it's not a place peope go to, but a new eternal reality, diferent for each person, where people "live" in whichever way they want.

I just can't imagine heaven being a place where souls go, because it wouldn't be a reward to go there if people you love don't make it with you for whatever reason.


I would say heaven would have to be different for everyone if it is to be "perfect" I mean, if we're all at the same heaven what if someone you don't like is there. Wouldn't it stop being perfect then?
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Jan 10 2013 08:55am
Quote (Mastersam93 @ Jan 10 2013 09:51am)
Is that the only biblical account of Heaven?  What if that is just that particular person's heaven?  If he was the only one to see it then everyone would just think that's how it is for everyone, but maybe it's not.


...that is the most accurate description given in the Bible and you do not get to choose your own version , you don't to redesign what God has already created .

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Jan 10 2013 09:01am
all white people ofc


Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Jan 10 2013 02:42pm)
Revelation 21:10-27

New International Version (NIV)

10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11 It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13 There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. 14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15 The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. 16 The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia[a] in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17 The angel measured the wall using human measurement, and it was 144 cubits[b] thick.[c] 18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19 The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.[d] 21 The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass.

22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.


you actually believe that place exists :wacko: ?

This post was edited by duffman316 on Jan 10 2013 09:04am
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Jan 10 2013 09:23am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Jan 10 2013 03:55pm)
...that is the most accurate description given in the Bible and you do not get to choose your own version , you don't to redesign what God has already created .


It's not a matter of redesigning or not; God could have made that heaven for him, he might be making new heavens for everyone, it's not that we create our own heaven, but rather God creates a heaven for each individual.

Is there anything in the bible that speaks against this interpretation?
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Jan 10 2013 11:44am
Its a place to make this place look like hell, even if ur a billionaire.
And hell is a place that makes this world seem like heaven.
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Jan 10 2013 11:46am
Quote (CPK001 @ Jan 10 2013 07:42am)
We cannot imagine a perfect world because we have never seen a perfect world.


I can imagine things I've never seen.
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Jan 10 2013 11:47am
Quote (BardOfXiix @ Jan 10 2013 05:46pm)
I can imagine things I've never seen.


can u imagine how a hallway with infinite length looks like?
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