...not my concern since I don't speak to the eternal judgement of any one individual .

Are you saying that Jesus was not telling the truth when he said that eternal damnation await those who do not embrace him? Or are you simply being humble by the fact that judgement is only left up to Him?

That wasn't really the focus of my point though, since it's a fact that Christianity is the only correct path to salvation, it doesn't matter what he believes in, since if it's not Christ it's wrong, and logically not the path to salvation.

I am saying that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are apportioned according to Gods plan and that my gift is not evangelism . I am assured of my own salvation and Biblical instruction demands I not speak to the salvation of others .

I almost feel like burning my bible! but it costs good money. (maybe i can get some good fg for it in the donor section)

stop posting here you 2 losers, you dont even have the guts to answer to the poll, you're just cheap talkers.

This post was edited by the_rest on Oct 18 2011 05:36am

Even if you don't actually say the words outright, you're thinking it in your head, as well as the message is implied in your words, with the application of some basic logic that I described in my previous post. Assuming that Christianity is the only way into Heaven, as stated by Jesus Christ, there is no other way to get into heaven other than accepting Christ. It is BASIC LOGIC to assume that if you believe in anything else besides Christianity, you will not be granted salvation and entry to Heaven, and the next logical assumption is that if you don't go to Heaven, you go to Hell. Don't priests discuss the consequences of not giving yourself up to the Lord all the time?

Also as a note to everyone, my posts are all hypothetical, under the assumption that Christianity and the Bible are correct. I'm not a Christian, please take my words in context to understand the point I'm trying to get across.

I'm sorry I allowed myself to engage in an argument instead of answering your question. My answer to your question is that you should not pray to anyone, as prayer is a useless exercise, and you need to take control of the change you want in your life. Unless of course that prayer is more of an introspective meditation to put you in the right frame of mind and prepare you to help influence what made you consider prayer, and if that is the case then it really doesn't matter what you are praying to, as long as it helps you accomplish your goals.

I hope this was helpful.

Scott

This post was edited by hedonism on Oct 18 2011 05:44am

...I'll stop you there because I actually do not . I was well schooled by my religious teachers to not dwell on what is beyond my control and in the capable hands of God . I have perfectly normal relationships with non-believers and I never think in my head about their possible damnation . If God chooses me to plant a seed in their lives the seed gets planted but not through my direct control .

...on a side note I am Protestant so I do not have any priests in the churches I attend .

I feel like you're cherry picking a few words in my post and not addressing the message I am expressing. Even if you do not think about whether or not anyone is going to be saved, you still express it through the implications of your language, and logical interpretation by anyone with enough reason to think about the implications will reach that conclusion. Also on the subject of priests in church, that also isn't really my point, I'm saying it's mentioned in the Bible, referenced to on several occasions by people other than Jesus, and the Bible itself was not literally written by Jesus, so we can assume the words were written by someone who thought and expressed that idea. Would you consider someone who communicated the word of God and succeeded on a scale of Biblical proportions (har har) to have sinned in doing so? I would hope that spreading the word of God wouldn't be considered a sin, that doesn't really make sense.

I reject the message you are trying to express . Your are trying to apply your personal understanding of logic to a topic you are not familiar with , Christian teaching and doctrine . It causes you to make blind assumptions that are not in keeping with Biblical truths .

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