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Nov 21 2009 10:13am
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Nov 21 2009 11:27am)
Trusting some rand who breaks the law without question is so very much your style that I can't think of much to say about it, so I'll move on.

I agree with you 100% that anyone who takes a dim view of humanity about this sort of thing is a twat who needs to get a reality check. There's no particular reason to depopulate at the moment and the Earth can hold a fair number of us rather comfortably.  Depopulation is retarded indeed, and there's little reason to see people as being so bad. 

But why the swipe at recycling?  You like landfills or something?


Us comfortably. Rest of nature not quite.
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Nov 21 2009 10:19am
Quote (RalphNader @ 21 Nov 2009 11:01)
Lol, I hate to say it, but I watched an episode of BULLSHIT where they supposedly debunked recycling.  (The libertarian-magician-gigantous-maximus guy.)
They said it was counterintuitive to recycle because it cost more energy to recycle than to make something from scratch. 
He probably did as well.


Well yes, it takes more energy, but it obviously takes fewer original resources as well.

Renewable energy sources are ahead of renewable aluminum sources, last I checked, so it seems like a decent idea.

Bullshit is a great fucking show though.
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Nov 21 2009 11:20am
I'm going to believe this as much as a single internet blog post deserves to be believed in.
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Nov 21 2009 11:22am
fyi: it's not called global warming anymore
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Nov 21 2009 11:34am
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fyi: it's not called global warming anymore


It actually is. The average temperature of the earth is trending upwards. This is measured by surface air temperatures plus ocean average temperature. Now, it creates localized climate change - it might get hotter in Antarctica and colder in Jamaica, for example, but that doesn't mean the Globe isn't trending upwards, and it is.

Climate change is a valid term, but global warming is more accurate.

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Nov 21 2009 11:45am
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Sucks when the shoe is on the other foot eh?


Oh lol. Nate trying to use irony.

Failed.

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Nov 21 2009 11:48am
Here are some of the emails that were uncovered.

From: Phil Jones
To: ray bradley ,mann@virginia.edu, mhughes@ltrr.arizona.edu
Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:15 +0000
Cc: k.briffa@uea.ac.uk,t.osborn@uea.ac.uk

Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,
Once Tim's got a diagram here we'll send that either later today or first thing tomorrow. I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline. Mike's series got the annual land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999 for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998. Thanks for the comments, Ray.

Cheers
Phil

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK

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From: Gary Funkhouser
To: k.briffa@uea.ac.uk
Subject: kyrgyzstan and siberian data
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:37:09 -0700

Keith,

Thanks for your consideration. Once I get a draft of the central and southern siberian data and talk to Stepan and Eugene I'll send it to you.

I really wish I could be more positive about the Kyrgyzstan material, but I swear I pulled every trick out of my sleeve trying to milk something out of that. It was pretty funny though - I told Malcolm what you said about my possibly being too Graybill-like in evaluating the response functions - he laughed and said that's what he thought at first also. The data's tempting but there's too much variation even within stands. I don't think it'd be productive to try and juggle the chronology statistics any more than I already have - they just are what they are (that does sound Graybillian). I think I'll have to look for an option where I can let this little story go as it is.

Not having seen the sites I can only speculate, but I'd be optimistic if someone could get back there and spend more time collecting samples, particularly at the upper elevations.

Yeah, I doubt I'll be over your way anytime soon. Too bad, I'd like to get together with you and Ed for a beer or two. Probably someday though.

Cheers, Gary
Gary Funkhouser
Lab. of Tree-Ring Research
The University of Arizona
Tucson, Arizona 85721 USA
phone: (520) 621-2946
fax: (520) 621-8229
e-mail: gary@ltrr.arizona.edu


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This post was edited by tric-isHUGE on Nov 21 2009 11:50am
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Nov 21 2009 11:51am
http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2009/11/hadleycru-says-leaked-data-is-real.html

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The director of Britain's leading Climate Research Unit, Phil Jones, has told Investigate magazine's TGIF Edition tonight that his organization has been hacked, and the data flying all over the internet appears to be genuine.

In an exclusive interview, Jones told TGIF, "It was a hacker. We were aware of this about three or four days ago that someone had hacked into our system and taken and copied loads of data files and emails."

"Have you alerted police?"

"Not yet. We were not aware of what had been taken."

Jones says he was first tipped off to the security breach by colleagues at the website RealClimate.
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Nov 21 2009 11:55am
Thank fucking god. Now we don't have to worry about cap and trade. Thank fucking god.
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