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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Fri, Oct 2 2009, 09:18pm)
If it was a positive I would suggest it is up to them to make that decision and so far the overwhelming majority of their descendents would most vocally and even violently disagree .

Was the potato famine ultimately good for Irish Americans ?


Was the Holocaust ultimately good for American Jews ?

Horror is horror and can never be justified because it resolves over time in the eyes of those not affected .


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...but unfortunately not so well for the million and more who died and THEIR descendents who were never born to enjoy the life we have
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...but unfortunately not so well for the million and more who died and THEIR descendents who were never born to enjoy the life we have


Indeed, but it's impossible to factor in that sort of luck.

If we look at it strictly by the numbers, more people are alive today as a result of the famine than nonexistent because of it, ignoring that nonexistence means they never "existed" to begin with, and you can't count as having killed them.
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Quote (HEIDTB @ Fri, Oct 2 2009, 08:16pm)
for 200~ years of "suffering", they now get to live atLEAST 10x better than the average Africans.

Black Americans make about 56% of white Americans yet make 10-15x more than Africans..

should they be thankful for being brought by the slave trade? 


im asking this because my history professors focus so much on how slavery was horrible and stuff, but if they werent coming here by the millions, they'd stay there by the millions...


Should they be thankful for being brought by the slave trade?

I should encourage you to tell your one night stand to abort the baby because that has to be one of the most outrageous questions which reflects how skewed your American History is.

African culture in certain areas was destroyed as a result of slavery. Should they be thankful for the new less improved variant of social constraints in the form of iron chains?
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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Fri, Oct 2 2009, 09:18pm)
If it was a positive I would suggest it is up to them to make that decision and so far the overwhelming majority of their descendents would most vocally and even violently disagree .

Was the potato famine ultimately good for Irish Americans ?

Was the Holocaust ultimately good for American Jews ?

Horror is horror and can never be justified because it resolves over time in the eyes of those not affected .


how is this relevent to the question im asking?

im asking if black people are better off, dont add another example of a similar situation that doesnt have to do with the current question.

i do not care about the holocaust or the Irish potato problem.. the point im tring to make is
are black people in america better off due to slave trade

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Should they be thankful for being brought by the slave trade?

I should encourage you to tell your one night stand to abort the baby because that has to be one of the most outrageous questions which reflects how skewed your American History is.

African culture in certain areas was destroyed as a result of slavery. Should they be thankful for the new less improved variant of social constraints in the form of iron chains?


African culture? so they can keep their culture, their 20% aids rate in highst places, average life span of 43 years and that would be better off?

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how is this relevent to the question im asking?

im asking if black people are better off, dont add another example of a similar situation that doesnt have to do with the current question.

i do not care about the holocaust or the Irish potato problem.. the point im tring to make is
are black people in america better off due to slave trade




your question was answered many times and the over-riding opinion is no .
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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Fri, Oct 2 2009, 10:15pm)
your question was answered many times and the over-riding opinion is no .


what evidence shows that it wasnt positive for black americans?

so you perfer 80+ % to live under 2$ a day, average life span at 43, 20% or more at peak in AIDS and the continent containing 11% of world population that only offers 1% of global exports? (36% of the 1% by south africa.. which shows terrible equity)?
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what evidence shows that it wasnt positive for black americans?

so you perfer 80+ % to live under 2$ a day, average life span at 43, 20% or more at peak in AIDS and the continent containing 11% of world population that only offers 1% of global exports? (36% of the 1% by south africa.. which shows terrible equity)?


absurdity does not serve the discussion

first you say I can't compare the situation to others and yet you want to compare americans to africans

play by the rules you set or don't play at all
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If Africa, America, France, Britain and Spain are all players in Starcraft.

Africa is the noob that gets taken advantage of.


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