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Jun 12 2026 08:51am
The above posts are a good benchmark for US sentiment for the World Cup. The US does not consider soccer a national sport compared to baseball or American football. Therefore, the World Cup does not create the same kind of atmosphere as it does in countries like Brazil or Germany, which have a far stronger cultural attachment to soccer than the US does.

While Donald Trump sees the World Cup as another feather in his cap, America's treatment of the global community serves as a reminder to the world that the US is hostile to them. People are far more likely to remember how they were treated in the US than the score of any football game. Ultimately this World Cup is highly politicised and I would argue that in the decades to come it will be looked back on as another example of the decline of US soft power.


lets be perfectly honest bud. in the period between Vietnam and the first Iraq war the US's involvement worldwide could be categorized as tame. Even if we extend that a bit beyond Iraq 1 to Iraq 2, it becomes more stark. We set up nations world wide with our manufacturing to raise them from poverty. We were involved in no full blown hot wars and while the CIA continued to stage coups and assassinate warlords we were mostly an economic force on the world stage. Did we receive love from our shift? Did the world perceive us as a force of good? a shining alternative to the red Kremlin communists? Even in Europe where at the time our staunchest allies benefitted from unlimited security guarantees, where trade imbalances enriched their economies with the US importing far more than we exported to those nations.

Of course not. An empire will never be loved, an empire no matter how benevolent is always hated by the vast majority of people in the world. They'd pick up their belongings and trudge through a dessert at night to get there and live in the empire. But they'll never love them when they sit in their home country. No one lovesdthe British empire, no one loved the Spanish empire, no one loved the Romans or Persians. All empires commit atrocities, just as all empires enrich the land and people they bring into the fold of the empire. It doesnt matter what we do, we weren't loved before, and we wont be loved after the world cup. if you detain 1 or 1,000 it wont change the fact that US citizens have to claim to be Canadian in many countries around the world just to avoid being mistreated. That was true under Bush 1, Clinton, Obama, Trump, Biden, and Trump.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jun 12 2026 08:53am
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Jun 12 2026 10:09am
lets be perfectly honest bud. in the period between Vietnam and the first Iraq war the US's involvement worldwide could be categorized as tame. Even if we extend that a bit beyond Iraq 1 to Iraq 2, it becomes more stark. We set up nations world wide with our manufacturing to raise them from poverty. We were involved in no full blown hot wars and while the CIA continued to stage coups and assassinate warlords we were mostly an economic force on the world stage. Did we receive love from our shift? Did the world perceive us as a force of good? a shining alternative to the red Kremlin communists? Even in Europe where at the time our staunchest allies benefitted from unlimited security guarantees, where trade imbalances enriched their economies with the US importing far more than we exported to those nations.

Of course not. An empire will never be loved, an empire no matter how benevolent is always hated by the vast majority of people in the world. They'd pick up their belongings and trudge through a dessert at night to get there and live in the empire. But they'll never love them when they sit in their home country. No one lovesdthe British empire, no one loved the Spanish empire, no one loved the Romans or Persians. All empires commit atrocities, just as all empires enrich the land and people they bring into the fold of the empire. It doesnt matter what we do, we weren't loved before, and we wont be loved after the world cup. if you detain 1 or 1,000 it wont change the fact that US citizens have to claim to be Canadian in many countries around the world just to avoid being mistreated. That was true under Bush 1, Clinton, Obama, Trump, Biden, and Trump.


nobody loved any of the empires in your example because those empires were colossal fucking dicks to everyone they were in contact with.

What is it with the American desire to claim to be oppressed? It’s a phenomenon regardless of political affiliation, from privileged college students masquerading as downtrodden undesirables to members of the largest religious monolith in the country feigning persecution. It’s like the country can’t accept that it’s gone soft due to increased standards of living and mostly abundant wealth. Due to this softness, there’s a complete and total lack of perspective on what oppression and persecution actually is.

Like hot damn the absolute cognitive dissonance required to unironically posit that being heckled for your nationality is remotely comparable to, or even justifies the atrocities this country has committed globally is a glowing neon sign post showing how constitutionally weak the average American has become.

I would infinitely rather pretend to be Canadian than have my government overthrown, country split in half, children fire bombed, grandchildren ridden with cancer, family murdered, village slaughtered by extranationally funded militias, economy ruined, or any of the other things the US has historically done to “enrich” the lands it touches.

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Jun 12 2026 10:28am
nobody loved any of the empires in your example because those empires were colossal fucking dicks to everyone they were in contact with.

What is it with the American desire to claim to be oppressed? It’s a phenomenon regardless of political affiliation, from privileged college students masquerading as downtrodden undesirables to members of the largest religious monolith in the country feigning persecution. It’s like the country can’t accept that it’s gone soft due to increased standards of living and mostly abundant wealth. Due to this softness, there’s a complete and total lack of perspective on what oppression and persecution actually is.

Like hot damn the absolute cognitive dissonance required to unironically posit that being heckled for your nationality is remotely comparable to, or even justifies the atrocities this country has committed globally is a glowing neon sign post showing how constitutionally weak the average American has become.

I would infinitely rather pretend to be Canadian than have my government overthrown, country split in half, children fire bombed, grandchildren ridden with cancer, family murdered, village slaughtered by extranationally funded militias, economy ruined, or any of the other things the US has historically done to “enrich” the lands it touches.


go off king!

its pretty ironic that you hate americans so much that you read my post in a way that makes you think im the one claiming oppression.

ferdia talked about optics of america moving forward because of what Trump is doing right now. My counterpoint was simple, we never had good optics, and we never will.

We're the country that dropped the big one in japan, we destroyed Vietnam just to slightly slow down the Russians, we've bombed literally every single middle eastern nation. Sometimes we fund two different warlords to fight each other just for fun so their country doesnt try and take back mining rights.

but Trump giving some foreign nationals a hard time is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back? the camel was already paralyzed, beaten to a pulp, and is roasting over a spit.

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Jun 12 2026 10:33am
The above posts are a good benchmark for US sentiment for the World Cup. The US does not consider soccer a national sport compared to baseball or American football. Therefore, the World Cup does not create the same kind of atmosphere as it does in countries like Brazil or Germany, which have a far stronger cultural attachment to soccer than the US does.

While Donald Trump sees the World Cup as another feather in his cap, America's treatment of the global community serves as a reminder to the world that the US is hostile to them. People are far more likely to remember how they were treated in the US than the score of any football game. Ultimately this World Cup is highly politicised and I would argue that in the decades to come it will be looked back on as another example of the decline of US soft power.


Agree 100% with this very intelligent take. Shame on the self entitled Americans.
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Jun 12 2026 10:41am
Norwegian national team dressed up as Vikings, ofc the usual suspects shed tears over it lmao

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Norwegian journalist Markus Sletvold pointed out that the photo shoot could be seen as nationalist and exclusionary due to its association with Viking-era imagery. He also criticized the Viking concept for overlapping with symbols previously used by far-right groups.




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Jun 12 2026 10:54am
If both US and Iran finish 2nd within their respective groups they would play each other.

Please make it happen!

Would love the tension, the coverage. Imagine the underdog Iran wins on the US home turf with the political backdrop? Would be a textbook Hollywood story (of course Hollywood wouldn't cover it to lionize Iran)
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Jun 12 2026 10:56am
World football isn't popular in the US
Should have had MX host it tbh.

People traveling to the US for the Cup risk getting picked up by racist ICE thugs anyways.
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Jun 12 2026 11:01am
go off king!

its pretty ironic that you hate americans so much that you read my post in a way that makes you think im the one claiming oppression.

ferdia talked about optics of america moving forward because of what Trump is doing right now. My counterpoint was simple, we never had good optics, and we never will.

We're the country that dropped the big one in japan, we destroyed Vietnam just to slightly slow down the Russians, we've bombed literally every single middle eastern nation. Sometimes we fund two different warlords to fight each other just for fun so their country doesnt try and take back mining rights.

but Trump giving some foreign nationals a hard time is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back? the camel was already paralyzed, beaten to a pulp, and is roasting over a spit.


I agree with your point, I (evidently) took your post as defensive rather than matter of fact
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Jun 12 2026 11:02am
lets be perfectly honest bud. in the period between Vietnam and the first Iraq war the US's involvement worldwide could be categorized as tame. Even if we extend that a bit beyond Iraq 1 to Iraq 2, it becomes more stark. We set up nations world wide with our manufacturing to raise them from poverty. We were involved in no full blown hot wars and while the CIA continued to stage coups and assassinate warlords we were mostly an economic force on the world stage. Did we receive love from our shift? Did the world perceive us as a force of good? a shining alternative to the red Kremlin communists? Even in Europe where at the time our staunchest allies benefitted from unlimited security guarantees, where trade imbalances enriched their economies with the US importing far more than we exported to those nations.

Of course not. An empire will never be loved, an empire no matter how benevolent is always hated by the vast majority of people in the world. They'd pick up their belongings and trudge through a dessert at night to get there and live in the empire. But they'll never love them when they sit in their home country. No one lovesdthe British empire, no one loved the Spanish empire, no one loved the Romans or Persians. All empires commit atrocities, just as all empires enrich the land and people they bring into the fold of the empire. It doesnt matter what we do, we weren't loved before, and we wont be loved after the world cup. if you detain 1 or 1,000 it wont change the fact that US citizens have to claim to be Canadian in many countries around the world just to avoid being mistreated. That was true under Bush 1, Clinton, Obama, Trump, Biden, and Trump.


From my perspective, Bush, Obama and Biden did not threaten to invade an EU country. Trump did. Prior to the Iraq wars, an attempt at a narrative was made by the US, which was palatable to most of Europe. It was only decades later that we learned of the US involvement in Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. Prior to the bombing of Iran in 2025 and again in 2026, as well as the bombing of Venezuela, the narrative from the US was infantile. You say that the US was not loved. This is not reality. The reality was that Europe was very happy with the US as an ally, was very happy to adopt American culture and, broadly, was very pro-American.

Donald Trump has told Europe that the relationship is transactional, not rooted in alliances. No American president has been this blunt. Not some American Empire, but rather, This President, his Foreign and Domestic Policies.

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Jun 12 2026 11:07am
The above posts are a good benchmark for US sentiment for the World Cup. The US does not consider soccer a national sport compared to baseball or American football. Therefore, the World Cup does not create the same kind of atmosphere as it does in countries like Brazil or Germany, which have a far stronger cultural attachment to soccer than the US does.

While Donald Trump sees the World Cup as another feather in his cap, America's treatment of the global community serves as a reminder to the world that the US is hostile to them. People are far more likely to remember how they were treated in the US than the score of any football game. Ultimately this World Cup is highly politicised and I would argue that in the decades to come it will be looked back on as another example of the decline of US soft power.


Lemme double down on that!
Clear indicator already - hotel bookings are way down compared to last year - where no world cup, the biggest sporting event globally took place.

But yeah, fuck it. We the best, f the rest.
Ignorance is bliss :thumbsup:
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