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Dec 5 2025 05:11am
Israel does have a strong military but the idea that they could 'streamroll' Iran is crazy, the geopolitical situation is far more complex than that.
it would be anything but one-sided, Iran showed incredible restraint in the conflict earlier this year but that doesnt mean they are without their own military strength

China, Russia, and NKorea all have economic ties/partnerships with Iran so I dont understand why you are so quick to write off hypothetical military support? especially in self defense (which WOULD be the case). not to mention Iran's proxy groups throughout the region and its northern control of the straight of Hormuz which 20% of the global trade passes through

I never mentioned Iran having nuclear weapons but they have been working on their accelerated program despite Trump and Bibi trying to stop it. Iran is far, far more dangerous a threat than you seem to believe


Israel has the strongest military reach in the world when you consider that it doesn’t operate alone. Its strategic capability is intertwined with U.S. support — militarily, technologically, and logistically. So when I say “Israel,” I’m referring to that combined reality rather than Israel functioning in isolation. On Iran’s nuclear program — we’ve heard predictions about them being months away from a bomb for nearly 20 years. Progress and enrichment are one thing, but an operational warhead and delivery system are another, and until there’s verified evidence, I remain cautious about that claim noting we have been lied to for more then 20 years. Iran also isn’t projecting power globally in the way a true nuclear-threshold aggressor typically would.

Russia and Iran do have ties, but a military alliance isn't the same as a mutual defense obligation. Cooperation doesn’t automatically mean Russia or China would enter a war on Iran’s behalf, especially against Israel + the U.S. The risks of escalation into a much wider conflict would be enormous, and historically both Moscow and Beijing lean toward cautious pragmatism in such scenarios. Israel has already struck Iran directly and remained standing afterward. Iran’s regional proxies, while still a factor, have taken significant hits over recent years. If Israel escalated further, it could inflict heavy damage, though I agree — escalation isn’t without consequences for everyone involved.

So when I say an Israeli strike on Iran is “not really a problem,” I mean in the sense that large-scale international intervention in Iran’s favor is unlikely. We’re seeing this already with Gaza — even with the scale of suffering there, the world’s response has mostly been statements, not direct military action. States act in self-interest first, and the threshold for intervention is extremely high for virtually all countries. Of course, there are exceptions — some states don’t operate on a tit-for-tat basis, but on overwhelming force and a belief in their own exceptionalism. I think you can see what I’m getting at, but happy to explain if not.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 5 2025 05:14am
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Dec 27 2025 12:21pm
My prediction:

Israel will attack Iran with help of U.S. Iran will not lose, and it will be worst than Iraq. America will pull out instead of turning into another forever war like in afghanistan, israel will absorb the failed military equipment, and Iran will be bombed to oblivion


Result: israel gets its objectives. Iran destroyed, america further weakened and divided.

Anti semetism further rises. Leading to American tech oligarchs (they all either jews or cucks for jews) moving all assets and HQ to israel (they already began). America turns into Europe with more 3rd world migrants, economy further in ruin.

I figure around this time the real purpose of A.I will be revealed, and people will start realizing they didn't invent A.I so you could make dumb cat videos :rofl:
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Dec 28 2025 11:10am
My prediction:

Israel will attack Iran with help of U.S. Iran will not lose, and it will be worst than Iraq. America will pull out instead of turning into another forever war like in afghanistan, israel will absorb the failed military equipment, and Iran will be bombed to oblivion


Result: israel gets its objectives. Iran destroyed, america further weakened and divided.

Anti semetism further rises. Leading to American tech oligarchs (they all either jews or cucks for jews) moving all assets and HQ to israel (they already began). America turns into Europe with more 3rd world migrants, economy further in ruin.

I figure around this time the real purpose of A.I will be revealed, and people will start realizing they didn't invent A.I so you could make dumb cat videos :rofl:


U shud write movie scripts with an imagination so wild and extraordinary. I'd totally not watch it.
But others here would.
They desperately want sth like that to happen - because otherwise they'd continue struggling holding up their world views.
But I have faith in their faith. :thumbsup:
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Dec 28 2025 11:18am
U shud write movie scripts with an imagination so wild and extraordinary. I'd totally not watch it.
But others here would.
They desperately want sth like that to happen - because otherwise they'd continue struggling holding up their world views.
But I have faith in their faith. :thumbsup:


Do you do anything but follow people here you disagree with and shitpost there comments?
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Dec 28 2025 11:23am
Do you do anything but follow people here you disagree with and shitpost there comments?


D2 is for entertainment.
D2jsp is for D2.
Pard is to keep us engaged on jsp.

Hence pard = entertainment.

And u folks simply end up contributing the most entertaining, ludicrous stuff.

U may feel honoured ^_^
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Dec 28 2025 12:43pm
D2 is for entertainment.
D2jsp is for D2.
Pard is to keep us engaged on jsp.

Hence pard = entertainment.

And u folks simply end up contributing the most entertaining, ludicrous stuff.

U may feel honoured ^_^


a no would have worked just fine.
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Dec 28 2025 01:05pm
D2 is for entertainment.
D2jsp is for D2.
Pard is to keep us engaged on jsp.

Hence pard = entertainment.

And u folks simply end up contributing the most entertaining, ludicrous stuff.

U may feel honoured ^_^


trump won
how u like that for entertainment :)

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Dec 30 2025 12:20pm
Israel has the strongest military reach in the world when you consider that it doesn’t operate alone. Its strategic capability is intertwined with U.S. support — militarily, technologically, and logistically. So when I say “Israel,” I’m referring to that combined reality rather than Israel functioning in isolation. On Iran’s nuclear program — we’ve heard predictions about them being months away from a bomb for nearly 20 years. Progress and enrichment are one thing, but an operational warhead and delivery system are another, and until there’s verified evidence, I remain cautious about that claim noting we have been lied to for more then 20 years. Iran also isn’t projecting power globally in the way a true nuclear-threshold aggressor typically would.

Russia and Iran do have ties, but a military alliance isn't the same as a mutual defense obligation. Cooperation doesn’t automatically mean Russia or China would enter a war on Iran’s behalf, especially against Israel + the U.S. The risks of escalation into a much wider conflict would be enormous, and historically both Moscow and Beijing lean toward cautious pragmatism in such scenarios. Israel has already struck Iran directly and remained standing afterward. Iran’s regional proxies, while still a factor, have taken significant hits over recent years. If Israel escalated further, it could inflict heavy damage, though I agree — escalation isn’t without consequences for everyone involved.

So when I say an Israeli strike on Iran is “not really a problem,” I mean in the sense that large-scale international intervention in Iran’s favor is unlikely. We’re seeing this already with Gaza — even with the scale of suffering there, the world’s response has mostly been statements, not direct military action. States act in self-interest first, and the threshold for intervention is extremely high for virtually all countries. Of course, there are exceptions — some states don’t operate on a tit-for-tat basis, but on overwhelming force and a belief in their own exceptionalism. I think you can see what I’m getting at, but happy to explain if not.


You’re mixing things that don’t belong together…

Israel damaged Iran mostly on its own for years. Cyber attacks, sabotage, intelligence work, and constant strikes on Iranian assets in Syria were Israeli actions, not U.S. ones. The U.S. only stepped in seriously when Israel threatened to escalate further around hardened nuclear sites That’s about stopping regional war, not Israel needing help to act.

The “Iran has been months away for 20 years” line is not true. For most of that time the assessment was years away, and those timelines kept getting pushed back largely because Israel kept interfering. Only recently did “months” show up, and even then it meant enriched material, not an actual bomb with a warhead and delivery system. Those are two different things.

Israel also chose not to bomb Iran directly for a long time. That wasn’t weakness. It was strategy. Delay the program, avoid full scale war, keep things below the red line.

Meanwhile Iran tried to surround Israel with a proxy “ring of fire”. Hezbollah, Hamas, militias in Syria and Iraq, and the Houthis. The idea was pressure without consequences. That failed.

Once a major line was crossed, Israel didn’t manage the situation, it used the opening to break the whole setup. That’s why the proxy system started collapsing.

As for “the world won’t intervene”, that cuts both ways. It’s exactly why Iran couldn’t rely on Russia or China to save it, and why Israel could act knowing no one was going to fight Iran’s war for it.

So this isn’t Israel acting only because of the United States, and it’s not 20 years of fake intelligence. It’s Iran overplaying its proxy strategy, Israel holding back until the moment was right, and then hitting hard when the mistake was made.
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Dec 30 2025 01:24pm
You’re mixing things that don’t belong together…

Israel damaged Iran mostly on its own for years. Cyber attacks, sabotage, intelligence work, and constant strikes on Iranian assets in Syria were Israeli actions, not U.S. ones. The U.S. only stepped in seriously when Israel threatened to escalate further around hardened nuclear sites That’s about stopping regional war, not Israel needing help to act.

The “Iran has been months away for 20 years” line is not true. For most of that time the assessment was years away, and those timelines kept getting pushed back largely because Israel kept interfering. Only recently did “months” show up, and even then it meant enriched material, not an actual bomb with a warhead and delivery system. Those are two different things.

Israel also chose not to bomb Iran directly for a long time. That wasn’t weakness. It was strategy. Delay the program, avoid full scale war, keep things below the red line.

Meanwhile Iran tried to surround Israel with a proxy “ring of fire”. Hezbollah, Hamas, militias in Syria and Iraq, and the Houthis. The idea was pressure without consequences. That failed.

Once a major line was crossed, Israel didn’t manage the situation, it used the opening to break the whole setup. That’s why the proxy system started collapsing.

As for “the world won’t intervene”, that cuts both ways. It’s exactly why Iran couldn’t rely on Russia or China to save it, and why Israel could act knowing no one was going to fight Iran’s war for it.

So this isn’t Israel acting only because of the United States, and it’s not 20 years of fake intelligence. It’s Iran overplaying its proxy strategy, Israel holding back until the moment was right, and then hitting hard when the mistake was made.


Israel has a B2 stealth bomber now? wow, secret nukes and secret stealth bombers.
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Dec 31 2025 12:40pm
Israel has a B2 stealth bomber now? wow, secret nukes and secret stealth bombers.


Stealth Bomber wasn’t the only option.
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