Quote (Sh00p @ Sep 9 2025 12:01pm)

I definitely do not get what youre going for here. Everyone is better off when the US and russia leave each other alone.

As I said before. Trump trying to improve relations with North Korea is a landmark in his presidency. No one else would even attempt it. And its really too bad it possibly ended up with killing some of thier civilians instead. Orange man very bad indeed. No idea what you guys arent getting about this.

Although I cant even be sure anything is true anymore.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Sep 6 2025 12:59pm)

I think it adds important context to our relationship with North Korea, and offers nuance and empathy to what is otherwise marketed solely as an unreasonable enemy.

Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 6 2025 02:09am)

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/05/us/navy-seal-north-korea-trump-2019.html

So today the New York Times did an expose on how in 2019 during Trump's first term nuclear talks with Kim Jong Un, the navy attempted to plant a listening device with a mission behind DPRK lines using a submarine infiltration, for the purpose of spying on the North Korean side during negotiations. This was pretty similar or even identical to a mission previously carried out under the George W Bush administration, also unrevealed until today. But the 2019 attempt was blown when they encountered North Korean civilian fisherman, and the SEALs opened fire and killed them and aborted their mission. The NYT acknowledges this was top secret and remains classified, and published it anyway based on anonymous tips from 'former military personnel with knowledge of the mission'.

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There's no whistleblowing here on malfeasance or corruption. The military was engaged in the kind of espionage we expect, and sometimes missions fail or even turn deadly or cause collateral damage, but without Americans dead or any coverup, just a foreign op, there isn't any reason this should have become public. The New York Times gets access to a story which if true, is a very sensitive national security secret dealing with a hostile foreign power, who apparently didn't know these details until the NYT published them.

Do these kinds of stories become newsworthy just because a mission failed, or because civilians in another country died? Is there someone at the NYT making the call whether the public's interest in learning about this outweighs the national security interests in keeping it secret? Even if reporters can get their hands on classified information, should it really be let out? I mean, the Biden administration sent police to raid a journalist's home, arrested and imprisoned him because he had a copy of teenage Ashley Biden's diary leaked to him, and that reporter didn't even publish it because he thought it wasn't newsworthy.

Quote (ferdia @ Sep 6 2025 04:45am)

It looks like a political move to discredit or deflect. very short sighted, like everything else.

Quote (Ghot @ Sep 6 2025 10:16pm)