I don’t think Europe can survive without the US long term.

Agreed

There is no apple, it’s just worms.

Hopefully.. NATO is acting tough like they want to start a war with Russia all while being funded by USA. USA is like woah woah, hold up, we don’t want a war. USA does not want to push Russia into a corner and closer into alliance with China. China is the bigger threat. The Ukraine conflict goes back decades, it is unfortunate, but we cannot launch full scale global war over it

Trump has pointed out several times that the main concern at the moment is the cooperation between Russia, China, Iran and NK which is all a result of the Ukraine conflict and could've been avoided entirely.

To try tackle this cooperation is far more important to the US than the Ukraine conflict which was part of a decades long project to expand NATO all the way to Russia's border.

Sorry Ukraine you've become irrelevant. Will NATO survive when the US seeks closer ties with Russia in an attempt to sever the cooperation between Russia China Iran NK? I guess we'll find out soon

France has already left NATO and returned, while Sweden and Finland were neutral and joined almost instantly. Even if the United States were to leave NATO, they would likely return just as quickly with the Democrats coming to power or due to heightened global tensions.

I don’t believe the democrats will regain office after Trump. Not if they don’t change their platform a bit. The average US citizen isn’t a Trump fan they are simply against the woke agenda and race war mongering the Democrats have used as their platform too long.

Trump getting back in office was simply an example of the American boiling point of the Democrat agenda going to far.

This post was edited by MadMan87 on Mar 7 2025 02:09am

It is quite possible, I am merely speculating about how easy it would be to return to NATO if necessary, even under contrived circumstances. For now, it is just a lever to make Europe pay. And if the US were to leave NATO, say, for ten years, it is unlikely that much would change for Europe; on the contrary, it might even mean not having to support the U.S. in it's efforts to stop China from invading Taiwan.

I find it more likely the US sides with Russia and China to take many lands (including European ones.) with the current administration. I highly expect Trump and Putin will talk often and Putin will convince Trump to warm up to China eventually allowing China to take Taiwan unopposed.

The current administration has spoken on wanting the Panama Canal, Greenland and Canada.

This post was edited by MadMan87 on Mar 7 2025 02:29am

We live in interesting times. I fear that we are more likely to face another world war than to see Trump, Putin, or Xi peacefully dividing spheres of influence. Fortunately, we have so many opportunities to leave reminders for future generations about what not to do, since we ourselves have failed to make use of even the limited, yet valuable, experience of two world wars (or one prolonged war spanning decades).