A massive class action lawsuit probably would have been a lot more effective than this stunt.

A peasant assassinated a Lord.


These outcomes are a function of the society the Lord's have created. Lords being the CEOs of the steadfast corporate houses.


CEOs and their corporations need to do better. Health care is just one segment of the market being used for class warfare. If you are in the right class you literally have about 10 years more life expectancy than low income poor.

Each American family pays tens of thousands a year in premiums, tens of thousands unaided until a deductible is met(while burdened by premium), then tens of thousands in a cost matrix before out of pockets are reached. Meanwhile, coverages networks, procedures not covered depending on circumstances. This coverage doesn't even include teeth or eyes

Beyond cost, the quality is crap. In MN, there is NO OBGYN north of Duluth. Basic hearing tests for children at Essential health have 6 months waits.

CEOs need to do better, kill dozer syndrome is a function of being totally fd

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In Minnesota, illegal aliens get free taxpayer funded healthcare. "Legal" aliens who actually immigrated illegally before receiving a legal status or citizenship combined with illegal aliens make up an outsized burden on the healthcare system, particularly in billions of dollars of fraud on top of their benefits- like the hundreds of millions in autism fraud being investigated by the FBI right now, and that's only the tip of the iceberg. Go to any emergency room in the twin cities and what do you see? Meanwhile towns where the average age is 60 don't deliver babies when half the people commute to the twin cities or major health centers in crosby / st cloud / princeton.

Insurance premiums didn't go up because insurance CEOs are somehow inordinately greedy. Services didn't get stretched thin because insurers are skimping. Its a very obvious and explicable phenomenon that has been taking place since Obama took office: An orgy of healthcare spending and expanded benefits and coverage that has given limitless free healthcare to non-citizens and indigents and people with pre-existing conditions none of whom could afford it in the pre-Obama era of HMOs denying coverage. And as a result, costs skyrocketed, spending skyrocketed, benefits being received skyrocketed, insurer paydays skyrocketed, and the amount of actual facilities and doctors and nursing staff did not whatsoever keep pace with these demands on the system and now its getting stretched to something resembling the UK's NHS or canadian healthcare where you can expect years-long waiting lists for appointments and an entire day spent in an ER while you lay dying.
Which is exactly what just happened to this guy in Canada, and its where we're headed:
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/montreal-man-died-of-aneurysm-after-waiting-6-hours-in-er-1.7146109


The lords are the ones who gave massively expanded healthcare benefits to the peasants by reaching into the pockets of the middle class

Both aspects as simultaneously true. Have seen a plethora of posts and evidence in the wake of the PKing indicating continued exploitation of healthcare systems by corporations. Big one about denying anesthesia, and automated computerized claims denials.

Do you think anything has changed from the pre-obama days to the post-obama days for profiteering? Insurance has always been for-profit and shareholder driven, and the industry is heavily regulated and Obama wrapped them up tightly. Do single issue kinks worked out or non-issues that get inflammatory misrepresentation add up to a sudden new wave of systemic profiteering? We can see overwhelming evidence of mind boggling amounts of overspending, fraud, undeserved benefits and corresponding strain on services and hikes to premiums. That much is trivial to prove.

The overall rate of profit margins for insurers hovers around 3-5% each year. Pre-obama they would be ~6%. The heavy subsidization by taxpayers to replace premiums was one of the significant causal factors in inflation, which of course is just another form of regressive taxation, doubling down on how the middle class in particular got shafted to pay for these hikes. In the same span, healthcare spending overall nearly doubled (and that's adjusted for inflation).

It's unacceptable to murder someone. Too easy.

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Yes, absolutely. These companies strive to maintain a profit margin even when impacted and constrained by government policies and are resorting to new practices to do so at the detriment of their policy holders They are stock based and beholden to the shareholders after all. Perhaps they should not be for profit? Or arranged more like a mutual co. I think the Healthcare problems are much more multi variable though. To rule out corporate profiteering though I think misses a key variable

But that same government attached a money hose directly to their mouths and has been feeding them taxpayer funding. There weren't really any constraints when we just printed funny money and used it to subsidize the risk corridors.
The concept of nationalizing healthcare has existed both before and after the ACA and the wave of liberal healthcare policies. I think the biggest outcome we can point to now is all the evidence the government can't be trusted to control our healthcare. Insurers aren't responsible for giving a tidal wave of benefits to illegal aliens or fraudulent applications, and that same stakeholder profit-driven policy would have precluded that kind of waste and graft. The old capitalist ideal is about private industry being reined in by competitive forces. When they become degenerate monopolies and anti-competitive conglomerates they can exploit consumers, but the other edge of that knife is that nationalized industries can become bloated and corrupt, rife with fraud and waste.

I'd argue that on the sliding scale between capitalist excess and socialist excess, we're clearly into the latter. Healthcare CEOs didn't cause premium spikes and care shortages and inflation, Obama did

Democrats have completely destroyed healthcare in this country, and they did it on purpose. The ACA wasn’t about helping Americans... it was a giant socialist power grab disguised as reform. They hooked insurance companies up to an endless taxpayer/funded money hose, rewarding incompetence and bailing out losses, all while sticking hardworking Americans with skyrocketing premiums and worse care. And let’s not forget how they waste billions funding benefits for illegal immigrants and fraudulent applications. This is liberal policy in a nutshell... punish the middle class, reward fraud, and destroy accountability. Nationalized healthcare is just another Democrat scheme to expand the bloated, corrupt government that can’t do anything right. Every program they touch turns into a cesspool of waste and incompetence. Look at the DMV or the VA... now imagine that disaster for everyone’s healthcare. But liberals don’t care... they’re too busy virtue-signaling about 'fairness' while creating the exact shortages, inefficiencies, and price hikes they claim to oppose. Let’s be clear: healthcare premiums didn’t spike because of CEOs... they spiked because Obama and his cronies shoved a socialist healthcare agenda down our throats. And what do Democrats want now? Even more government control. These people don’t care about fixing the system... they care about controlling it. It’s all about power, not patients. They’ll bankrupt this country just to feel morally superior. The answer isn’t more government interference... it’s tearing down this failed liberal experiment and bringing back competition and choice. If we keep letting Democrats and their idiotic socialist fantasies dictate policy, we’re all going to end up paying more for worse care while they pat themselves on the back for 'helping.' Enough is enough.

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