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Dec 15 2024 08:55am
Quote (Bruv @ Dec 14 2024 02:59pm)
Tarriffs don't affect the exporter. Only the importer.
You really won't be using it for political bargaining

Here's what's happening and what's going to happen

What has happened:
1. Companies have raised their prices in anticipation of cost increase.
2. Companies have burned through reserve cash to purchase products at prices that are still low
3. Say goodbye to your christmas bonus

What will happen:
1. Companies will bludgeon Asia exporters into lowering their prices to offset costs or lose the volume
2. Companies will increase their margin
3. Consumer prices will not go down



2 things to keep in mind

Western companies love profit
Eastern companies like volume


Tariff's do affect the exporter. Reduced Demand for Exporter’s Goods. Higher Costs for Importers. Tariffs make the goods more expensive for the importer in the destination country, often reducing demand.
Competitive Disadvantage as well... If the exporter’s products are subject to tariffs, they may become less competitive compared to domestic goods or goods from countries without such tariffs.

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Tariff's do affect the exporter. Reduced Demand for Exporter’s Goods. Higher Costs for Importers. Tariffs make the goods more expensive for the importer in the destination country, often reducing demand.
Competitive Disadvantage as well... If the exporter’s products are subject to tariffs, they may become less competitive compared to domestic goods or goods from countries without such tariffs.


yes, that's part of the point to bring production closer to home
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Quote (chudman123 @ Dec 15 2024 07:00am)
yes, that's part of the point to bring production closer to home


And I agree with that point.
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Dec 15 2024 01:14pm
Mass production isnt coming home
Sorry
The elite class gave the american workers the middle finger a long time ago
"Profits for me, not for thee"
Otherwise 60% of americans wouldnt be living paycheck to paycheck

Like I said before theyre just going to bludgeon asian exporters into lowering their prices so the tarriffs have less effect
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Biden ended the war in Afghanistan.


You mean he gave back power to the talibans in Afghanistan.
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Dec 15 2024 04:55pm
Quote (Bruv @ Dec 15 2024 11:14am)
Mass production isnt coming home
Sorry
The elite class gave the american workers the middle finger a long time ago
"Profits for me, not for thee"
Otherwise 60% of americans wouldnt be living paycheck to paycheck

Like I said before theyre just going to bludgeon asian exporters into lowering their prices so the tarriffs have less effect



didnt happen last time, surely wont happen this time. everyone in my industry is ready to raise prices 25% when the tarrifs land, a lot of manufacturers baked it in weeks ago. american consumers are going to feel it
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Dec 15 2024 06:58pm
Quote (Bruv @ Dec 15 2024 02:14pm)
Mass production isnt coming home
Sorry
The elite class gave the american workers the middle finger a long time ago
"Profits for me, not for thee"
Otherwise 60% of americans wouldnt be living paycheck to paycheck

Like I said before theyre just going to bludgeon asian exporters into lowering their prices so the tarriffs have less effect


Americans are living paycheck to paycheck because they don't manage their money well. Addressing that starts with eliminating union control over schools.

The bold is a good thing. It means more money in the governments pocket and a lower impact on the end consumer.

Quote (gnarjay @ Dec 15 2024 05:55pm)
didnt happen last time, surely wont happen this time. everyone in my industry is ready to raise prices 25% when the tarrifs land, a lot of manufacturers baked it in weeks ago. american consumers are going to feel it


The economy is a complex thing. "We'll just raise prices by 25%" is a great thing to say, but when consumers buy less and your competitors reduce prices you'll do whatever you have to do to maximize profit.
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The economy is a complex thing. "We'll just raise prices by 25%" is a great thing to say, but when consumers buy less and your competitors reduce prices you'll do whatever you have to do to maximize profit.


no one is reducing their prices when tariffs on all imports are going up lol, that is not sustainable at all
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Quote (gnarjay @ Dec 15 2024 08:35pm)
no one is reducing their prices when tariffs on all imports are going up lol, that is not sustainable at all


That's not what I'm saying. Prices go up, but never by the full amount. If Trump were to enact a 25% across the board tariff the impact would be absorbed by some combination of exporter, importer, and consumer, split across all of the stakeholders across the supply chain. It's great to take the starting position that "we'll just pass 100% of the costs along", it's a negotiation after all, but that's generally not how things are going to work out.
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Quote (bogie160 @ Dec 16 2024 04:42am)
That's not what I'm saying. Prices go up, but never by the full amount. If Trump were to enact a 25% across the board tariff the impact would be absorbed by some combination of exporter, importer, and consumer, split across all of the stakeholders across the supply chain. It's great to take the starting position that "we'll just pass 100% of the costs along", it's a negotiation after all, but that's generally not how things are going to work out.


I see what you mean now, and you're right to a degree: the last time Trump laid the tariffs on Chinese imports, most retailers didn't raise prices by the full 25%, but this time, it is a little different as EVERYTHING is more expensive. ocean + air freight, insurance, fuel, labor, + limited containers and shipping lanes are being rerouted because of global conflicts. this is much, much different from the COVID era tariffs

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