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Nov 17 2024 11:37pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Nov 17 2024 06:27pm)
i mean this is all you need to know here

the warmongers in washington want to escalate as much as possible before trump steps in

another confirmation, this conflict is only about endless war to weaken russia, feed the military industrial complex and give out loans to exploit whatever is left of ukraine

and an entire generation of young gets blown into bits for this


i think the warmonger would be the one that invaded a sovereign nation that refused to be a vassal state like belarus
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Nov 18 2024 01:25am
Quote (duffman316 @ Nov 18 2024 12:37pm)
i think the warmonger would be the one that invaded a sovereign nation that refused to be a vassal state like belarus


And now Ukraine is a vassal state of the West with a burden of hundreds of billions they can never repay. And their country got completely wrecked. What a win
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Nov 18 2024 01:42am
Quote (Djunior @ Nov 17 2024 11:25pm)
And now Ukraine is a vassal state of the West with a burden of hundreds of billions they can never repay. And their country got completely wrecked. What a win


yeah so far Russia one of the top 3 countries being bombed... Israel being bombed..A lot of third world countries being bombed..How soon before China and U.S get bombed? When U.S does a lot of this bombing around the world or uses proxies .. Is Israel a Proxy or is U.S a Israeli proxy? Not sure anymore as Israel funds all elected politicians now in usa..

It kind of makes sense that we allow Ukraine to use long range missiles in Russia right now when you consider the possibilities of a first strike WW3 on Russia.. Let Ukraine take out the early warning systems inside of Russia..Hope Russia hold off reprisals thinking Trump will end the war.. And Then destroy Russia with all we have..Sneak attack lol Is that the plan?
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Nov 18 2024 01:48am
There's a time you hang in the air after the plunge and before the impact.

Biden has two months to get us all killed. When Obama was a lame duck president in 2016, he spent these couple months on a series of spiteful and petulant measures- executive actions, diplomatic snafus, regulations, etc all designed to trip up Trump. Declaring bear ears a monument, regulating refrigerants, ending the us veto on condemning israel, etc. All reversible, and reversed and in some cases unreversed by Biden. Obama's most dangerous move was just to authorize his intelligence spooks to spy on Trump and try to sabotage him, but all they did was leak and gossip like schoolgirls. Undermining Trump in the minor.

Biden's authorization and saber rattling doesn't mean we're guaranteed to strike a greater war. But Russia is guaranteed to respond in kind if we do. That's the worst type of brinksmanship, where you're in a losing position and know your rival will retaliate and you still seek to escalate. If American operatives are firing American missiles onto Moscow, Russia is going to reciprocally escalate and we've speculated for a couple years now how that would shake out. I've guessed that if they aren't just bombing Ukraine and its border areas like they already are, US naval assets would be the obvious choice. Particularly if they ostensibly handed these weapons to proxies like the Houthis. Drones have shown how incredibly vulnerable conventional platforms can be and our main security has come from not picking a direct fight. Until now.
It is of course, conditional. Saying you give an authorization, and actually being stupid enough to follow through, aren't the same thing. But this has its precedent in cold war actions. Warmongers and brinksman who wanted to be perceived as more dangerous than they were willing to be- and they could lead us on misadventures that risk getting us all killed anyway. Mercutio and Tybalt bandied in the street until they didn't.
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Nov 18 2024 01:56am
Quote (doomchaser @ Nov 18 2024 08:42am)
WW3 on Russia..


Russia started WWIII by bringing these sad North Korean soldiers to Ukraine.
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Nov 18 2024 03:39am
Quote (duffman316 @ 18 Nov 2024 13:37)
i think the warmonger would be the one that invaded a sovereign nation that refused to be a vassal state like belarus


Putin giving Ukraine Democracy. I find it fair. He is trying to catch up with Uncle Sam. :rofl:



Quote (Ashirgo @ 18 Nov 2024 15:56)
Russia started WWIII by bringing these sad North Korean soldiers to Ukraine.


USA started WW3 by creating 2014 Euro Maiden. :rofl:

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Nov 18 2024 03:41am
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Nov 18 2024 05:39am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 18 2024 10:39am)
Putin giving Ukraine Democracy.


You cannot give what you don't have.
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Nov 18 2024 05:41am
Quote (Ashirgo @ 18 Nov 2024 19:39)
You cannot give what you don't have.


Russia have Democracy (albeit a fake one, still counts).

China doesn't.

So I am technically correct. B)
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Nov 18 2024 06:10am
Quote (Goomshill @ 18 Nov 2024 08:48)
There's a time you hang in the air after the plunge and before the impact.

Biden has two months to get us all killed. When Obama was a lame duck president in 2016, he spent these couple months on a series of spiteful and petulant measures- executive actions, diplomatic snafus, regulations, etc all designed to trip up Trump. Declaring bear ears a monument, regulating refrigerants, ending the us veto on condemning israel, etc. All reversible, and reversed and in some cases unreversed by Biden. Obama's most dangerous move was just to authorize his intelligence spooks to spy on Trump and try to sabotage him, but all they did was leak and gossip like schoolgirls. Undermining Trump in the minor.

Biden's authorization and saber rattling doesn't mean we're guaranteed to strike a greater war. But Russia is guaranteed to respond in kind if we do. That's the worst type of brinksmanship, where you're in a losing position and know your rival will retaliate and you still seek to escalate. If American operatives are firing American missiles onto Moscow, Russia is going to reciprocally escalate and we've speculated for a couple years now how that would shake out. I've guessed that if they aren't just bombing Ukraine and its border areas like they already are, US naval assets would be the obvious choice. Particularly if they ostensibly handed these weapons to proxies like the Houthis. Drones have shown how incredibly vulnerable conventional platforms can be and our main security has come from not picking a direct fight. Until now.
It is of course, conditional. Saying you give an authorization, and actually being stupid enough to follow through, aren't the same thing. But this has its precedent in cold war actions. Warmongers and brinksman who wanted to be perceived as more dangerous than they were willing to be- and they could lead us on misadventures that risk getting us all killed anyway. Mercutio and Tybalt bandied in the street until they didn't.


How realistic is it that the Ukrainians will target Moscow, though? It's heavily fortified and defended with a dense shield of air defense systems and located 800km away from Ukraine. At the same time, you have Russian airfields sitting 100km from the front line - airfields from which the missiles, drones and glide bombs which are killing them (literally and metaphorically) are launched. Instead of musing about imminent WW3, wouldn't it be much more reasonable to assume that Ukraine will use its new-found long-range capabilities to strike the things that pose the most acute military threat to them?
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Nov 18 2024 06:33am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 18 2024 06:10am)
How realistic is it that the Ukrainians will target Moscow, though? It's heavily fortified and defended with a dense shield of air defense systems and located 800km away from Ukraine. At the same time, you have Russian airfields sitting 100km from the front line - airfields from which the missiles, drones and glide bombs which are killing them (literally and metaphorically) are launched. Instead of musing about imminent WW3, wouldn't it be much more reasonable to assume that Ukraine will use its new-found long-range capabilities to strike the things that pose the most acute military threat to them?


How much of a distinction would the Russians make? How much would we make, if it was our country?
Pearl Harbor was a far flung military outpost 2300 miles from the coast
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