Quote (John_Wayne_Gacy @ 28 Jun 2024 09:22)

I've worked in childcare for 19 years now.
It's pretty clear what happens to unwanted children. I can tell you, mostly it isn't good.
I'm not saying abortion should be celebrated or anything. But if the parents are unable/unwilling to provide a caring home, then you have a high chance of producing a dysfunctional human being with all the costs associated with that.
Forcing people to have a child they don't want/can't provide for is not a recipe for a happy family.

Quote (Mondain @ Jun 25 2024 08:17pm)

Government has no place in murdering babies.

It's been happening since the dawn of mankind.

The problem is two fold, Responsibility + Option for an easy out.

If you say to a human animal, You can vaccuum that fetus out of your uturus and not have to bear the responsibility of raising it into a healthy well balanced human being.
There are many people who will choose the easy way out.

Stop making it a casual activity that's publicly acceptable.

It's a shameful act. and these women live scarred for the rest of their lives.

Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Jun 25 2024 08:35pm)

+1

I think people are ignorant if they don't see it like this on many levels.

No woman I know whose had an abortion felt like it was a good thing. It was a terrible trauma that they deal with until this very day.

"Oh those damn bible belters want to control womans reproductive systems".

More like I don't want to see a woman looking like a shadow of her former self because she chose to have unprotected sex with multiple men who didn't/wouldn't wear a condom so now she has to kill the baby growing in her because she's not ready for it.

Where does the Bible come in when most the people having abortions don't believe in God and most the people having abortions do it as a form of birth control and not a "last resort".

Bible: We care about the health of the mother and her child!

People: We care about the choice of the mother above all else!

Quote (Ryvulet @ Jun 25 2024 09:18pm)

what about the 100% infint mortality rate caused by abortion?

Quote (John_Wayne_Gacy @ Jun 28 2024 09:22am)

I've worked in childcare for 19 years now.
It's pretty clear what happens to unwanted children. I can tell you, mostly it isn't good.
I'm not saying abortion should be celebrated or anything. But if the parents are unable/unwilling to provide a caring home, then you have a high chance of producing a dysfunctional human being with all the costs associated with that.
Forcing people to have a child they don't want/can't provide for is not a recipe for a happy family.

Quote (babun1024 @ Jun 28 2024 11:26am)

Then don't have unprotected sex!
Why do people conventionally leave out their choices then make it everyone else' problem?
Sex is primarily there to have babies. You can use it in a recreational way but with protection. If you mess up, your responsibility to take care of the consequences. Vasectomy also exists.

Quote (John_Wayne_Gacy @ Jun 28 2024 11:48am)

It's all very well to say what people should do to be responsible, but regrettably people are still going to do what they do. The result is an unwanted child, which has a much greater risk at having traumatic experiences while growing up. Which is not conducive to producing physically and emotionally healthy citizens. Saying they should just 'get their shit together' is not helpful.

Also, there are many instances where the prospective parents are not at fault as such. No birth control is foolproof nor 100% effective, there might be medical concerns or a negative NIPT test, one or both of the parents might have mental problems, .... the list goes on.

To reiterate, abortion is not something to be celebrated. However, the result of keeping an unwanted child is often horrendous as well. It doesn't feel good to say, but a large percentage of the kids I work with will never be productive citizens and the cost to society is huge.

Quote (babun1024 @ Jun 28 2024 11:56am)

I understand where you're coming from but the current developmemt was created by people being more lenient. Abortion should never be a conventional option. Yes, it might take a generation to suffer and to pass on the experience of "unprotected sex bad" but you can't make life even easier for stupid people.,The whole society regresses them. What dems call progressive in this case is the most regressive occurance in the society: make stupid, irreversible choices then let other to bail you out.
I accept abortion only in case of rape or when it is clear the baby is going to be sick or the mother would be in danger. Everything else is the choice of the ADULTs. Abortion doesn't happen in nature either. I think the unnatural act damages women on hormonal, physical and psychological level. Real experts and scientists know more but as a rule of the thumb: unnatural intervention from outside almost always carries risks and might have unexpected/negative consequences. Teach that to your children or they might learn it in a tragical way.

Quote (John_Wayne_Gacy @ Jun 28 2024 12:05pm)

Teaching people the error of their ways is all well and good, but if it's at the cost of forcing an unwanted child upon unwilling parents, then I say it isn't worth it. I could spend literal days telling horrorstories of what people do to their children, and the devastating results to the mental health of those children.

I do agree that abortion should not be a frivolous alternative to birth control though. This is why sex education is very important and why birth control should be freely available


Edit: nature practices post-natal abortion. Which is not agreeable, I'm sure we agree.