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Jun 20 2024 10:07am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 20 2024 04:55pm)
china has been supplying north korea with enough supplies to not riot for decades. if a revolution ever happened in north korea 1 million or so refugees would rush across their border.


The CCP doesn't want a regime change in NK [or anything unstable that could swap to the "West"] for political and geostrategical reasons.
It is clear these vampires don't like to lose the exclusive bargain they had with Kim's insane regime. They are losing control while Russia itself is already very embarrassing.
Globally I think all this only means one thing: Putin needs alot of ammunitions and even missiles, in exchange NK will have more tech and material to point more ICBM onto the U.S
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Good point and agreed. So much in our world today is framed as adversarial with people primed to wish the ‘other’ side to do bad or implode or whatever.

Ultimately if less North Koreans are malnourished as a result of this we as the global village should laud that.


That's been the crux of worldview on North Korea for decades. first it was south park's lampooning of kim jong il, and people thought the nation and regime was a joke akin to some african warlord who takes just a bit too much for himself so he can afford a gold AK 47. then it transitioned north korea being so evil (deserved for the regime) and the population being so brainwashed (undeserved treatment of starving masses) that they should be put on an island politically and never ever engaged. every politician and official lampooned trump for evening opening back up relations, likely spurred on by the military contracts we have in defending their neighbors. the best hope of the north korean people is for china and russia to embrace and modernize the country, even with the authoritarian controls both those nations have it would be a massive step up for the population if they were adopted.

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The CCP doesn't want a regime change in NK [or anything unstable that could swap to the "West"] for political and geostrategical reasons.
It is clear these vampires don't like to lose the exclusive bargain they had with Kim's insane regime. They are losing control while Russia itself is already very embarrassing.
Globally I think all this only means one thing: Putin needs alot of ammunitions and even missiles, in exchange NK will have more tech and material to point more ICBM onto the U.S



zero chance imo NK gets icbms.

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zero chance imo NK gets icbms.


Time to inform yourself:

North Korea likely received technical assistance from Russia for the successful launch of the reconnaissance satellite Malligyong 1 on November 21, 2023. North Korea has vowed to place still more military satellites into orbit. The attempted launch of a second satellite, Malligyong-1-1, while ultimately unsuccessful, is believed to have incorporated Russian help on rocket fuel and rocket engine technology

https://thediplomat.com/2024/06/why-north-koreas-military-partnership-with-russia-is-here-to-stay/
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Time to inform yourself:

North Korea likely received technical assistance from Russia for the successful launch of the reconnaissance satellite Malligyong 1 on November 21, 2023. North Korea has vowed to place still more military satellites into orbit. The attempted launch of a second satellite, Malligyong-1-1, while ultimately unsuccessful, is believed to have incorporated Russian help on rocket fuel and rocket engine technology

https://thediplomat.com/2024/06/why-north-koreas-military-partnership-with-russia-is-here-to-stay/


satellites = icbms?
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satellites = icbms?


Meanwhile, North Korea evidently has a greater appetite for Russian technology beyond space, particularly in intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) and submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs). While Russia so far has refrained from supplying nuclear and missile technologies, the risk of technological exchanges in those fields between the two cannot be overlooked. This would make North Korea’s nuclear threats more credible.

https://thediplomat.com/2023/11/the-prospects-for-north-korea-russia-nuclear-cooperation/

==> Another reason to quickly send more healthcare assistance to Ukraine to get rid of Putin's regime.

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Meanwhile, North Korea evidently has a greater appetite for Russian technology beyond space, particularly in intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) and submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs). While Russia so far has refrained from supplying nuclear and missile technologies, the risk of technological exchanges in those fields between the two cannot be overlooked. This would make North Korea’s nuclear threats more credible.

https://thediplomat.com/2023/11/the-prospects-for-north-korea-russia-nuclear-cooperation/

==> Another reason to quickly send more healthcare assistance to Ukraine to get rid of Putin's regime.


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While Russia so far has refrained from supplying nuclear and missile technologies


i said i think they'll continue to refrain, you respond i need to inform myself lol.

you also seem to be laboring under the delusion that NK is a nuclear threat, rather than a nuclear power. they have nukes, they can't fire them.
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i said i think they'll continue to refrain, you respond i need to inform myself lol.

you also seem to be laboring under the delusion that NK is a nuclear threat, rather than a nuclear power. they have nukes, they can't fire them.


"the risk of technological exchanges in those fields between the two cannot be overlooked."
and this was BEFORE the recent agreement (article is from 2023, november.)

That's it: Putin's potential vengeance is to give it to Kim Jong, as simple as that.

"zero chance imo NK gets icbms. " ? Maybe not this year, but... ;)

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"the risk of technological exchanges in those fields between the two cannot be overlooked."
and this was BEFORE the recent agreement (article is from 2023, november.)

That's it: Putin's potential vengeance is to give it to Kim Jong, as simple as that.

"zero chance imo NK gets icbms. " ? Maybe not this year, but... ;)


this isn't chess, its checkers.

if NK gets a ICBM and fires an ICBM the USA will crush it. russia will be forced to stand down, because NK isnt worth WW3. but if NK gets an ICBM, which i doubt they do, they wont fire it. if NK fires an ICBM or Nuke the entire regime dies. we'd love to bring them freedom.

NK is selling ammo and raw materials for food and fuel to russia. that's what this is, the defense pact is smoke and mirrors.
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Best Korea has been testing icbms since atleast 2017 and has successfully launched them far enough to reach the states. The problem they have is reliability, re-entry and and accurate targeting (something Russians are very good at)
Basically they can only produce 5-10 warheads a year with very questionable reliability. This means that the US isn't worried about best Korean missiles anytime soon but it does mean that closing down the south China sea with a naval blockade becomes alot harder.

Russians need the manufacturing output of best Korea
And best Korea needs Russian blueprints for their toys.

Westerners should really be worried on how fast bric country's are catching up to western(mainly just the US) military standards. With every new diversity hire into the wests system, brics gets that much closer to peer-to-peer readiness.
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Quote (zorzin @ Jun 20 2024 10:50am)
Best Korea has been testing icbms since atleast 2017 and has successfully launched them far enough to reach the states. The problem they have is reliability, re-entry and and accurate targeting (something Russians are very good at)
Basically they can only produce 5-10 warheads a year with very questionable reliability. This means that the US isn't worried about best Korean missiles anytime soon but it does mean that closing down the south China sea with a naval blockade becomes alot harder.

Russians need the manufacturing output of best Korea
And best Korea needs Russian blueprints for their toys.

Westerners should really be worried on how fast bric country's are catching up to western(mainly just the US) military standards. With every new diversity hire into the wests system, brics gets that much closer to peer-to-peer readiness.


BRICS nations when the topic is military: wow they getting so scary

BRICS nations when the topic is economy: please keep buying from us western nations, we'll literally starve if you miss payments


i just keep hearing about how WW3 is looming between the GDP per capita poor nations that can't even feed themselves and the rich economies they depend on to avoid famine and mass starvation.

im far more worried about chinese investment and buying of US land and african areas than i am actual war. they need to attaint far more wealth to even think war is an option. all the USA needs currently is a single round of sweeping sanctions to cause revolution in china, the same measures by them cause unrest here but not revolution.
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