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Jun 13 2024 12:25am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 13 2024 06:22am)
gonna say if the debate was "should america take weapons away from the nazis" I think it would be different


No, what happens is those weapons accidentally fall in the hands of radical groups in the region. Further destabilizing the region.

Just like the middle east, Just like Africa...

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Jun 13 2024 12:33am
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No, what happens is those weapons accidentally fall in the hands of radical groups in the region. Further destabilizing the region.

Just like the middle east, Just like Africa...


The thing is, most radical groups that wound up with US weapons didn't trade for them or get them down the food chain, they were given to them directly by us.
We gave weapons to Sunni radicals in Iraq and then again in Syria to fight Assad, and those groups just happened to be Al-Qaeda/Al-Nusra and the nascent ISIS. As the country collapsed into a power vacuum while Assad's control shrunk, ISIS established a caliphate enforced with their control of US weaponry. We had to fight yet another proxy war to stop them. Now we have been giving weapons to Nazi radicals in Ukraine. And since the Zelensky regime depends entirely on western backers, if that money faucet dries up, there will be a predictable power vacuum.
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Jun 13 2024 01:29am
Facepalm thread
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Jun 13 2024 02:09am
British and Americans had no moral dilemma cooperating with Nazis in the 1930s. US didn’t actually condemn Nazis killing the Jews (Jessie Owens didn’t mind getting his gold from the hands of a Nazi in August 1936 Olympics while Nazis were already exterminating die untermenschen in a nearby Oranienburg located 30 minutes drive from the Olympic Stadium in Berlin). My best guess is that US actually enjoyed the influx of cheap, despaired, desperate and educated labour force (Jewish and European) streaming out of Europe and propping up US economy at the time.

US was hoping Nazis would make quick work of the communists so they could split spheres of influence. All of that changed in the crucial first week of December 1941 when Barbarossa plan essentially failed and Japan attacked Pearl Harbour which made Germany declare war on the US (which they didn’t need to under their Tripartite with the Japanese as Japan attacked first). US then reluctantly declared war on the Axis.

In the Ukranian conflict Azov and the Ukranian far-right were publicly supported by US Senators like McCain as well as multitude of NGOs like USAID and NED.

What makes you think they should they grow up a conscience now?

8 March 2022


This post was edited by Malopox on Jun 13 2024 02:30am
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Jun 13 2024 04:31am
Why not?

US gives weapons to extremist Muslims, extremist Jews, and Mexican Cartels to name a few. Why stop there?
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Jun 13 2024 05:41am
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 13 2024 06:12am)
If you start with the premise that the "Azov battalion" is relevant politically, or that the Ukraine revolution of 2014 was run by them and was completely illegitimate, it makes sense to be outraged.

But those points are obviously Russian propaganda that has been debunked on this forum, so the real question is whether the US should supply Ukraine with weapons to repel the evil empire on their border. And the answer to that is so obvious, only people on PaRD will debate it.

If you think powerful nations like Russia or China should have free reign in their parts of the world, just say so. Stop making up reasons to oppose the legitimate resistance to them. Trump cultists can't seem to argue on the merits.


Shows up in establishment arming literal neo-nazis topic and proceeds to mention Trump cultists

:rofl:


Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jun 13 2024 09:29am)
Facepalm thread


Why are you holding back?

Just say that you support arming the Azov brigade we all know that you do anyways


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Jun 13 2024 06:05am
Quote (Djunior @ Jun 13 2024 12:41pm)
Shows up in establishment arming literal neo-nazis topic and proceeds to mention Trump cultists

:rofl:




Why are you holding back?

Just say that you support arming the Azov brigade we all know that you do anyways


You support arming Wagner. What's your angle?
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Jun 13 2024 06:16am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jun 13 2024 02:05pm)
You support arming Wagner. What's your angle?


First of all I've supported negotiations from the start (you didn't) and I've never even mentioned arming Wagner nor has a third party like China armed Wagner so your reply doesn't hold water, lol

You've been cheerleading every escalation and you just called this thread a facepalm thread. Why are you holding back again?

Just say the quiet part out loud

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Jun 13 2024 06:19am
Quote (Djunior @ Jun 13 2024 01:16pm)
First of all I've supported negotiations from the start (you didn't) and I've never even mentioned arming Wagner nor has a third party like China armed Wagner so your reply doesn't hold water, lol

You've been cheerleading every escalation and you just called this thread a facepalm thread. Why are you holding back again?

Just say the quiet part out loud


Mega dodge, why you embarrassed? You are the Russian militaries loudest cheerleader on jsp :rofl:
Heavy lack of self awareness. You tag people in images of destroyed Western tanks, like you think that hurts their feelings :thumbsup:

Why don't you say what you really think? You hate the West and your willing to forgive that the Russian military is packed with "Nazi" (ultra-nationalists) rapist and murderers.

Nail your colours to the mast kid, go.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jun 13 2024 06:19am
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Jun 13 2024 06:27am
In June 2024, following the US State Department's lifting of restrictions on the Azov Brigade, the unit is no longer banned from US arms support, with officials stating that because the Azov Battalion of 2014 is structually distinct from the Azov Brigade within the National Guard, restrictions due to US appropriations laws no longer apply.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade#United_States

Russia is terrorist country bombing civilians infrastructures and abducting children, they did things even worse than Nazi (Bucha etc)

In 2022, in a commentary published by the Center of Civil Liberties, antisemitism researcher Vyacheslav Likhachev said that despite Mariupol's fairly large Jewish community, there had not been any incidents between members of the Azov Regiment and the Jewish community since 2014

This topic is 100% russian propaganda,

It is also spam because a topic about russia already exists and OP also already posted about "usa gives weapons to nazis" false information exactly here:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=662914176
and lol

U.S. officials say that because the Azov Battalion of 2014 is distinct structurally from the brigade that is now a part of the National Guard, those restrictions do not apply.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade#Use_in_Russian_propaganda_and_information_campaigns

Thank you.

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