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May 7 2024 09:26am
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Quote (RedFromWinter @ May 7 2024 08:53am)
That sounds plausible in theory, but I'm having a hard time imaging AI fixing some rusty old junk bucket without damaging old rusty. I think AI will fulfill the desk positions that are all over the labor market. Like you said, app based appointments or something. Clerical work in the chopping block.

As for UBI seems a violation of 13th under peonage grounds.


niche cases arent a concern on the macro scale. most people aren't driving rust buckets, and many cars would be better maintained if automated maintenance were offered imo.

as always with automation we can say "what about X case", but if it's outnumbered by 10, 100, or even 1000 Y cases it doesnt matter really.

as to UBI vs 13th i agree, it just doesnt matter. there will be a breaking point where employment is low enough it will go through. and it will be too late, in typical american fashion. be prepared!
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May 7 2024 11:01am
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Ai can already develop a pitch to venture capitalists compelling enough to win funding
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May 7 2024 02:39pm
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niche cases arent a concern on the macro scale. most people aren't driving rust buckets, and many cars would be better maintained if automated maintenance were offered imo.

as always with automation we can say "what about X case", but if it's outnumbered by 10, 100, or even 1000 Y cases it doesnt matter really.

as to UBI vs 13th i agree, it just doesnt matter. there will be a breaking point where employment is low enough it will go through. and it will be too late, in typical american fashion. be prepared!


Around here, most cars are rust buckets or hiding major rust :) The second thought sounds nice as well, just enough automated maintenance to get out of manufacturer warranty :)

AI not too concerning for laborer jobs.
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Quote (RedFromWinter @ May 7 2024 03:39pm)
Around here, most cars are rust buckets or hiding major rust :) The second thought sounds nice as well, just enough automated maintenance to get out of manufacturer warranty :)

AI not too concerning for laborer jobs.


It’s a more immediate threat for service oriented labor and desk jobs but will certainly expand its reach. 6G devices are approximately 20x faster than 5G, as time goes on we will see AI ramp up to what we now believe to be impossible

10 years ago would you have been able to imagine that AI would be performing many menial surgeries in hospitals?
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May 7 2024 04:45pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 7 2024 09:12am)
sure, but that's not what i said. take any mechanic's shop, what is 75% of their business? general maintenance. oil changes, tire rotations and changes, air filter changes, headlight changes, etc.

that stuff is all fairly easy to automate, i mean we have Tesla's currently reading the world and driving in dynamic 3-d world. cars aren't nearly as dynamic, make/model/year all have x-y-z coordinates you can program around.

the point being what happens to a mechanic's shop with 10 employees when 75% of the business is removed, or even 25%? well 2-3 guys are let go at first, then eventually it's 2-3 people doing highly specialized work, maybe by that time with a robot that can tell them the issue much faster.

like i said i'd be shocked if by 2034 you can't program an appointment on the app, drive into a stall, be lifted up and receive an oil change and tire change that takes 15 mins.


I've worked at new car dealers since the 90s. 75% of the repair orders generated might be basic stuff, but it's performed by 10% of the labor expended. Most of the work performed is "check engine light is on, please diagnose, perform recall XXX, replace brakes, check oil leak" and the like. Even air filter and bulb replacements aren't going to happen without some kind of Will Smith iRobot. What happens when you get a rotate job with lug nuts with swollen caps?
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May 7 2024 05:59pm
I would say 75% is not oil changes and tire rotations and basic maintenance. This would probably be more like 10% and most shops aren’t even making money on this they use these to get you in and upsell stuff like leaking gaskets or worn wheel bearing and suspension parts or brakes. Ai ain’t taking that over for a long time
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May 7 2024 06:17pm
California is attempting to pass a bill(SB-1446) that cuts down on self checkouts & is an attempt "to reduce retail theft while also adding jobs and protecting workers and shoppers."

So #2 is basically already well on it's way :P
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May 7 2024 07:46pm
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It's definitely unpolitical, but this was a major point in the book Dune

At some point in the future, people thought it was a good idea to put a sentient AI in charge of the operations of a hospital on a major planet.

The AI worked very efficiently until the AI thought it was a good idea to sacrifice the life of the son of the planetary governor in favor of five other people due to scarce resources.

In response, the planetary governor started a political crusade to completely annihilate all sentient AI in the known universe.

If AI's start becoming CEO's, I think that will happen a lot more quickly.
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May 7 2024 08:16pm
I wanna see the automated software/robot that knows that when the oil filter has welded itself to the engine block because the oil hasn't been changed in ages... that knows that if the oil filter strap wrench can't remove it... you can drive a large screw driver all the way through both sides of the oil filter, and use the screw driver as a more positive contact wrench... to remove the oil filter.

Maybe the "Terminator" could do something like that. But that level of AI isn't gonna be here by 2034 or even 2134. ^^

Little tricks like that are "learned". You won't see them in any mechanic's tech manual.

You'd need to be able to "mind meld" with some old grey-haired mechanics, to learn that little trick. :D





I can see it now... any mechanics shops that are automated, will need to be called: Stripped Bolts-R-Us. :D

This post was edited by Ghot on May 7 2024 08:23pm
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