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Apr 23 2024 10:26am
i can see myself supporting any of these in dire circumstances, im just happy to realize ill never live in such times.

anyone who doesnt get abuse in schools hasn't raised kids. id never abuse my kids, but the pace at which they learn and listen is an unending battle for sanity.
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Apr 23 2024 07:14pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 22 2024 07:52pm)
Social media was a mistake in general, but one aspect that I believe future generations will look back on in particular shock and horror is how we allow our youth unfettered access to it. Not only does it promote bullying and tribalism, it's addictive, unproductive and generally brings out the worst in people.

Another obvious example is climate change IF the worse-case scenarios painted by the alarmists end up being true. (Which I, personally, do not believe; humanity will find technological solutions once the problem becomes accute enough.)

Yet another, perhaps controversial, example is the very recent practice of allowing pre-pubescent minors to undergo hormone therapy or even irreversible genital mutilation in the name of gender affirming care.

When it comes to my own role... it's very limited. I don't have the charisma, the energy or the people skills to be an effective public advocate for any kind of social or political cause. I lack the financial power to fund any research or advocacy in a meaningful way. And while I consider myself rather intelligent and have made some (very) marginal contributions to my own field, I am far from being brilliant enough to come up with an idea or a technological invention which changes the world. So the only way for me to effect change in the world beyond my immediate social circle is to be politically engaged, vote the way I see fit and perhaps engage in debate or occasionally participate in demonstrations.


It seems like there's a recurrent example, or few, already showing up in the thread. Social media and climate change.

It's very possible that future revelations will show that our understanding and subsequent treatment of gender dysphoria, especially among young people, is incorrect. I think a massive revelation would be needed though in order to dethrone our current approach as a best practice.

Lastly, I relate to the feeling of relative powerlessness. These issues are much too complex, both in theory and in practice, to be shouldered by one person. Coalition building is a necessary ingredient in the formation of social change. The idea of trying to play that role, as someone who can build that, is alluring if not also daunting.
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 23 2024 12:24am)
Weaponization of Artificial Intelligence.


I wonder if that's a bell that can even be unrung in the first place, such that that kind of retrospective recognition (on a meanginful level) can even be made? Weaponizing AI seems similar to nuclear weapons, in which it has forever changed the world and is not likely to be abandoned anytime soon unless an even greater technology nullifies or supplants them.

Quote (RedFromWinter @ Apr 23 2024 01:03am)
Culture of throw away: single use products, replace vs repair, scorch earth resource management, vault pollutants vs invest alternatives.

Abortion barbaric when you understand the full scope of it and how the operations are done. Used to avoid topic, but it's heart breaking now that I've got kids of my own. That being said, equally barbaric how society does not embrace the full package of young life through adulthood. The 18 years after birth also important Conservatives, not just in womb time.

Vastly disproportionate public school services across country. In Twin Cities, many of the suburbs high schools have sports facilities larger than the median high school size. Meanwhile, in Lake County MN, they can only operate 4 days a week. When you lookup state school ratings, the cities ones are like 8/9 out of 10. Lake county like 3/10. Seems highly messed up given the endless amounts of infrastructure spend in recent years. Educational opportunity ought to be more standardized for the public school segment. The money flow to schools obviously the big root cause and ever growing admin footprints.

Personally, trying to do better on the throw away culture. It's front and center for me being remote rural now, gotta deal with your own trash. Down cycle your trash, burn it, compost it, than bring to landfill. Buying higher quality and repairable things and tools.

For abortion, just more outspoken about pro-life position with trying not to tell someone what medical choice to make. There are many choices alternative to abortion that could be made in most cases, advocate for those.

For school, I've written some representatives and MN commissioner of education. Got no reply at all. Think this is a hopeless endeavor, will have to pay for private school or move to a better jurisdiction that offers proper 5 day public school with at least D rating 6/10.


I am still very interested in what people think is going to result in the kind of change regarding abortion, given current anticipated trends. It's not to say that that is an impossibility, but I think similar to my response in Black's post, it'll take a massive revelation or some kind of social/cultural movement to overcome the inertia that exists now.

I'm glad that you mentioned single-use behavior, as that is something I want to get better at. That single-use, and consumerism more broadly, is definitely something that I think future generations will have an even better vantage point on that behavior than I currently can abstract for myself--which is both haunting and interesting.

That's frustrating to not get a reply from your representative. It shouldn't be that way.
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Most people put on their rose tinted glasses and judge certain periods of time by todays standards.

Different time = different rules/conditions
Same way laws do not work backwards
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Quote (MichaelWS @ 26 Apr 2024 15:22)
Most people put on their rose tinted glasses and judge certain periods of time by todays standards.

Different time = different rules/conditions
Same way laws do not work backwards

We can and should distinguish between the historical context of laws, practices and norms on the one hand, and a moral judgement of them based on today's norms and values.

A famous example is how Islamic Sharia law postulates that during trials, the testimony of two women shall be as valuable as the testimony of one man. Back in the 7th century, such a law was actually progressive because it gave female testimony any credence. It is nonetheless reasonable to judge from a contemporary perspective that that's some really backward shit.

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May 26 2024 07:37am
the modern denial of human nature
(don't mind me necro'ing this thread)

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Quote (Handcuffs @ 22 Apr 2024 15:00)
I wonder, irrespective of the fact that the views held by people in PaRD vary vastly, if it can be said that it is a ubiquitous phenomenon where we can look back at some point of human history and find some kind of behavior, cultural practice, social more, or law to be unethical, unhealthy, or at least questionable? To think: How could people have earnestly endorsed, supported, protected, or otherwise been inactive in the face of these practices? While that question may be a tangent for another day, suffice to say that we can be glad that society has made changes such that it is an artifact of history*, no?

Such examples, for me, include:

- Enslavement of other people.
- Not allowing women to vote.
- Genocide, pogroms, Holocaust, ethnic cleansing, etc.
- Utilization of abuse towards children as part of schooling, discipline, and formative development.

*I know some of the examples I've listed above persist in many areas, so there's definitely nuance, but I believe there is some level of scale, time, or geographical location where we can say that there has been a notable decrease in these phenomenon and practices within those parameters.

There is likely any period of time and culture that we can snapshot throughout all of human history where all of us could identify at least 1 such example, but this is likely an easier task than considering the following: What are some of the things in our current cultural and historical reality that we (not the 'we' as in humanity, but 'we' as in you specifically, the person reading this post) either are proactively supportive of or apathetically inactive towards that, when reflected upon by future generations, is likely to be similarly identified as unethical, unhealthy, or questionable? Concerning were the slave owners, but so too were the apathetic, inactive non-slave owners of the time whose indifference was like a glue.

In giving honest reflection to this idea myself, I am reticent to admit that I think the global inequality that I benefit from (ie. that I have an abundant, comfortable, safe, entertaining, free life while people in other countries literally are dying of famine as I type this up) is one such example for myself. When learning about history and the above examples, I fantasized that I would like to think that I would have been an abolitionist in the days of American slavery, a suffragist/feminist in the days before voting equality for women, or a rebel against fascism (a la, underground railroads; story of Anne Frank, etc.). So then, what am I in the face of the immediate realities of my moment in human history? While certainly I don't take personal responsibility as a whole for this issue and the potential formation and implementation of change, there is some level of personal agency and responsibility that it would be irresponsible or indicative of a defense mechanism to not acknowledge. I'm aware of these global issues, could spend my free time actively trying to rally people and affect change, and yet here I am posting on JSP, playing some Diablo II, and my only 'plans' for the day are to do notes I have for work, some light errands, and the biggest decision I am choosing to confront today is what I'd like to have for dinner. I do think though that future human generations will look back on people like myself with much confusion. How could we possibly allow this global inequality to persist? Why is there not a greater sense of agency and action? Again, those questions may be interesting for another conversation, but suffice to say that they will similarly conclude that if nothing else, it is good that the arc of human history trended in the direction that it did such that it did eventually change for the "better".

That said, what comes to mind when thinking similarly about your own life and moment in human history? In terms of health, I also think future humans will look back at our relationship to social media (some forms, not all) with a judgment that we were engaging in something deeply unhealthy. I also think our lack of seriousness given to climate science (as but one example of so-called 'generativity') will be another such example, experienced at greater intensity by future generations.


None of social media was good whatsoever. I lost friends/family to phones. All of us have.

Those same friends/family who stare/scroll on a phone all day digesting "Google/Apple" news become argumentative because they have no other source of information. i.e incapable of critical thinking or even willing to admit they're being manipulated by social engineers.

They live in such a 1st world privilege as you mentioned that they are incapable of contemplating the REAL PRESENT DANGERS we currently face as a species.

They use terms like "conspiracy theories" because they are FEARFULL and FACTLESS.

Our planet is in really bad shape and I know so many who still think "We're all good" and "Science will solve the problems we created in the past!". This is ignorance. Blowing up thousands of nuclear warheads around the planet. Not good and irreversible damages. Burying radioactive oil drums under the ocean or deep in mines(best we can do). Nuclear power plants built near major bodies of water to save money on cooling cost only to have a situation like Fukoshima happen and them tell everyone "We got in under control" when there was NO KNOWN technology at the time to STOP it(they lied).

So basically when it comes down to it we are all lab rats for the governing elite and they can test anything they want on us and we have no say in any of it. Every living thing big or small dropping dead and people still can't seem to put it all together.

Insect die off(astronomical)

Fish populations worldwide being depleted at paces unforeseen.

Forest fires raging in places that never had forest fires.

Air quality totally shit and "forever chemicals" found on top of Mt. Everest and the bottom of the Marianna's trench.

We are being poisoned on every conceivable "level". Socially/Psychologically/Physically/Spiritually.

Eventually it won't be able to be hidden because the situation will become so dire it won't be able to be ignored.

This is the "revelation". When humans realize we were such terrible stuarts to the planet that we destroyed our only home in the geologic "blink of an eye".

We strived for "Heaven on Earth" and instead what we will get is "Hell on Earth" because we tried to play God with nature. The result? Extinction on a mass scale.

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on May 26 2024 11:30am
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