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Feb 17 2024 07:40pm
Quote (IceMage @ Feb 17 2024 08:07pm)
Uh... no?

What was the gross error in judgement?


If your brother and drug addicted son are peddling your name for millions of dollars from companies connected to the CCP, don't you the think the least a person like Biden could do is tell his son/brother "no" and refuse to meet those individuals?

Put it another way, if you recently received a post to oversee United States policy in Kazakhstan, and your drug addicted brother/sister/son/daughter received millions of dollars from Kazakh businessmen connected to the Kazakh government, don't you think you would be concerned? Your drug addicted relative doesn't have any experience in the area, they don't speak the language, they don't have any expertise in the subject matter at hand. When you ask, they can't even point to anything substantive that they've done to warrant the paycheck.

In reality, it was so bad that standard bank AML (from experience, not particularly effective) flagged Hunter's account as a matter of course.

https://nypost.com/2023/11/29/news/banks-money-laundering-expert-warned-bidens-got-china-cash-without-any-services-rendered/
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Feb 17 2024 07:50pm
Quote (Ryvulet @ Feb 17 2024 04:39pm)
i honestly expect civil war soon


It won't be a war, it'll be similar to Germany in 1933 - mass interpellation and roundup of enemies of the country under a declared state of emergency. There will be some disorganized pushback from the usual agitators, again similar to Germany in 1918 and again in 1933

The Democratic party will turn on the far left as soon as it's politically expedient. Again, like in 1918 (the SD ordered the execution of the two communist leaders) and in 1933 (the SD votes to outlaw and roundup the communists)

The majority of the left wing posters here are lying through their teeth, and will change their tune as soon as it becomes vogue to do so. It's all so farcical. Most left wing people don't actually believe the laundry list of absurdities that has captured the left

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Feb 17 2024 08:16pm
Quote (El1te @ Feb 17 2024 07:50pm)
It won't be a war, it'll be similar to Germany in 1933 - mass interpellation and roundup of enemies of the country under a declared state of emergency. There will be some disorganized pushback from the usual agitators, again similar to Germany in 1918 and again in 1933

The Democratic party will turn on the far left as soon as it's politically expedient. Again, like in 1918 (the SD ordered the execution of the two communist leaders) and in 1933 (the SD votes to outlaw and roundup the communists)

The majority of the left wing posters here are lying through their teeth, and will change their tune as soon as it becomes vogue to do so. It's all so farcical. Most left wing people don't actually believe the laundry list of absurdities that has captured the left


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Feb 17 2024 08:41pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 17 2024 06:34pm)
Joe Biden's family was milking some of the most corrupt places on the planet for millions of dollars. We know he was aware of it, because he met with all of his son's business partners. Let's not do whataboutism, shouldn't Joe Biden acknowledge, at the very least, a gross error in judgment and resign?


Except we don't know that he was aware of it. In fact we know the exact opposite because Republicans own witnesses affirm that Joe Biden was in no way involved and would basically take "hows the weather" calls and never discuss business.

Seriously, Republicans own "slam dunk" witnesses completely undercut the narrative and you're still repeating it as though they didn't.

Pathetic.
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Feb 17 2024 08:51pm
Quote (IceMage @ Feb 17 2024 04:27pm)
The corruption of Joe Biden's son doesn't justify that far worse corruption of Donald Trump.


bogus dudes corruption is why crack head got fake job

Quote (YeeHaw @ Feb 17 2024 05:30pm)
Joe Biden did the exact same thing to save Barisma being investigated, prompting trump to find out what was going on. There is literally a video you can watch of Joe Biden saying he did that lol.

Seriously dude you try to have all these deep and nuanced takes on things but you pretend not to understand how ridiculous this is………..

Of all the “look how corrupt trump is” things this one is by far the most black and white rules for me and not for thee.

Let’s just stop entertaining this.


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Feb 17 2024 08:52pm
Quote (IceMage @ Feb 17 2024 03:58pm)
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/15/politics/former-fbi-informant-charged-biden-burisma/index.html

I've not followed the Biden corruption story that closely because there hasn't been any significant evidence of wrongdoing by Joe Biden himself, and I guess this development affirms my position.


They have receipts showing the Biden family were paid millions, consistent with what the source said.
There's literally no other possible explanation for why Burisma would hire Joe Biden's completely unqualified crackhead son for a no-show job in a country where he can't even speak the language, than to buy access to Joe Biden and his influence, as the source said.
But the informant said he was told this by Burisma representatives in 2015-2016, but the FBI claims he didn't talk to them until 2017, therefore they are charging the guy whistleblowing on Biden's crimes with a crime of lying to the FBI


Its obviously immaterial to his statement whether Burisma told him in 2016 about why they hired Hunter in 2014, or whether Burisma told him in 2017 about why they hired Hunter in 2014. And yet that's the basis for which he's facing felony charges. The indictment draws an incredibly contrived and inexplicable logical barrier about whether these meeting occurred in 2015-2016 when Obama was president, or in 2017 when Biden was out of office and "had no ability to influence U.S. policy". I'm asking you if you can follow the very basic logic here, but how could that timeline possibly matter here? Nothing precludes Burisma representatives from talking to Smirnov about their 2014 hiring of Hunter in 2017. Joe Biden leaving office doesn't retroactively change past events, and those involved can still discuss them and their motivations. The only way a timeline would contradict testimony would be if Smirnov was testifying about events prior to him possibly having knowledge of them, or them occurring.
This is like some insane backwards form of gotcha, where investigators point out that a gun was recovered at a crime scene the day after the murder, therefore it can't possibly be the murder weapon. It doesn't make sense. Its illogical

If all the DoJ is maintaining is that Smirnov was exaggerating his contact with Burisma and his knowledge of Hunter Biden's affairs and his spun his story to try to match it, then why would they include a section in the indictment trying to draw a difference of when Joe Biden was out of office and couldn't affect policy? That's totally irrelevant. Hunter was hired in 2014, when Joe Biden was in office, and remained so until 2019, and the Bidens were being paid millions by Burisma in that interim and that fact doesn't change based on when Smirnov talked to Burisma about it or not.
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Feb 17 2024 09:04pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 17 2024 09:41pm)
Except we don't know that he was aware of it. In fact we know the exact opposite because Republicans own witnesses affirm that Joe Biden was in no way involved and would basically take "hows the weather" calls and never discuss business.

Seriously, Republicans own "slam dunk" witnesses completely undercut the narrative and you're still repeating it as though they didn't.

Pathetic.


Joe Biden shows up to a business meeting with corrupt Chinese state actors and various Eastern European / Central Asian oligarchs, says hi, and leaves. Don't you think at some point Joe Biden would ask his drug addicted son what the hell he was doing with these people? Is Joe Biden stupid? Senile? Both?
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Feb 17 2024 09:16pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 17 2024 09:04pm)
Joe Biden shows up to a business meeting with corrupt Chinese state actors and various Eastern European / Central Asian oligarchs, says hi, and leaves. Don't you think at some point Joe Biden would ask his drug addicted son what the hell he was doing with these people? Is Joe Biden stupid? Senile? Both?


Again, according to testmony from the guys Republicans swore up and down would prove their case, Biden was not in any way involved in the meetings. Hunter's modus operandi was calling Joe on the phone, asking how the weather is, and hanging up in a few minutes. And this was while JOE WAS NOT PRESIDENT OR VICE PRESIDENT.

You might not like it, but that's the absolute best you have on this case, and it's the result of Republicans scraping every nook and cranny for any evidence against Joe.

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Feb 17 2024 09:24pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 17 2024 09:16pm)
Again, according to testmony from the guys Republicans swore up and down would prove their case, Biden was not in any way involved in the meetings. Hunter's modus operandi was calling Joe on the phone, asking how the weather is, and hanging up in a few minutes.

You might not like it, but that's the absolute best you have on this case, and it's the result of Republicans scraping every nook and cranny for any evidence against Joe.


You missed a few updates, Joe Biden showed up in person to lunch with them
Specifically, April 16th 2015, at the Garden Room at Cafe Milano in Georgetown, Hunter Biden held a dinner with Vadym Pozharskyi, executive of Burisma ($83,333 per month as a no-show job), as well as Russian billionaire Yelena Baturina (a $3.5 million wired payment) and her husband and Moscow mayor Yury Luzhkov. Before the lunch, Hunter Biden told his guests his father would be attending, and said in his emails I quote: "“Ok – the reason for the dinner is ostensibly to discuss food security ... Dad will be there but keep that between us for now. Thanks.” to the son of the head of the greek orthodox church, who replied " “Everything is between us. All good‎! … I know you mentioned your dad would probably join the dinner as well.”
The next day on April 17th, 2015, Vadym Prozharsyi emailed Hunter Biden back at 2:00:51 AM PDT at his hbiden@rosemontseneca.com address, saying, I quote (lots of 'sic'):

"Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent some time together. It's realty an honor and pleasure. As we spoke yesterday evening, would be great to meet today for a quick coffee. What do you think? I could come to you office somewhere around noon or so, before or on my way to airport.
Best ,
V"
sent from his iphone on russian language


Next time you're going to try to hide evidence of your pops being involved in your business dealings, don't get so high on crack you drop your laptop off at a repair shop and forget about it, eh?

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And this was while JOE WAS NOT PRESIDENT OR VICE PRESIDENT.


Joe Biden was vice president on April 15th, 2015. And he was intimately involved in Ukrainian geopolitics, micromanaging the post-Maidan government which was the proximate cause of the war we're currently losing.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Feb 17 2024 09:26pm
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Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 17 2024 09:24pm)
You missed a few updates, Joe Biden showed up in person to lunch with them
Specifically, April 16th 2015, at the Garden Room at Cafe Milano in Georgetown, Hunter Biden held a dinner with Vadym Pozharskyi, executive of Burisma ($83,333 per month as a no-show job), as well as Russian billionaire Yelena Baturina (a $3.5 million wired payment) and her husband and Moscow mayor Yury Luzhkov. Before the lunch, Hunter Biden told his guests his father would be attending, and said in his emails I quote: "“Ok – the reason for the dinner is ostensibly to discuss food security ... Dad will be there but keep that between us for now. Thanks.” to the son of the head of the greek orthodox church, who replied " “Everything is between us. All good‎! … I know you mentioned your dad would probably join the dinner as well.”
The next day on April 17th, 2015, Vadym Prozharsyi emailed Hunter Biden back at 2:00:51 AM PDT at his hbiden@rosemontseneca.com address, saying, I quote (lots of 'sic'):

"Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent some time together. It's realty an honor and pleasure. As we spoke yesterday evening, would be great to meet today for a quick coffee. What do you think? I could come to you office somewhere around noon or so, before or on my way to airport.
Best ,
V"
sent from his iphone on russian language

Next time you're going to try to hide evidence of your pops being involved in your business dealings, don't get so high on crack you drop your laptop off at a repair shop and forget about it, eh?


Let's assume this is all absolutely true.

There's no action anybody has been able to point to where Joe was influenced, and in fact Joe's willingness to assist with Ukraine undercuts that this influenced him in any way. Since, ya know, that 3.5M came from an ostensibly Russian associated client.


Now if I don't grant that, I can point out that a meeting isn't automatically corruption, that there's no evidence Joe discussed anything of substance, that there's no evidence Joe received or controlled any of the money, and that we know for a fact the laptop was obtained through a Russian connection (that was established years ago and you've dutifully ignored all of it).


So you're still SOL on this. The bulk of the evidence suggests this was the same as all the other calls Hunter would frequently make for Joe. "Hey my dad will be here, give me money" and then nothing of substance happens.

But I get it. It's been years and you still have nothing so you have to grasp at anything possible, even when it's directly contradicted by Joe's actions in office.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 17 2024 09:38pm
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