Quote (El1te @ Jan 21 2024 06:55pm)

I do think it's the proper strategy for the goal of world peace.

World peace, or regional peace, is predicated on rival nations, who each vie for the greatest outcomes for their nation and peoples, to respectfully co-exist, of which a massive factor of that is recognizing and respecting rival nation's borders. This is predicated on each party agreeing to a legitimate border (the Ukraine Russia war is a perfect example of a border dispute).

Opening the floodgates has historical precedent for not being a solution for peace. The fall of the Roman Empire was largely caused by open borders with unfettered barbarian immigration, peoples who had no respect for the rule of law, leading to the dark ages.

The main idea in my view is that civilizations and/or nations must develop on their own accord. A nation or country is the macroensemble of its people, nothing less. The violence that exists outside our borders is not typically ours to solve, however as I myself an am imperialist, I think we should expand our Empire and rule of law outside our borders, while respecting their cultures to a certain degree.

Quote (Ghot @ Jan 21 2024 06:59pm)

It's not like anyone invited the tens of thousands of illegals.
I hate to sound cold, but it's like... "playing in traffic". Ya gotta expect to get run over, when you do that.

I mean, how many of you would open your doors for some starving vets (aka citizens), if they came and sat on your door step?

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 21 2024 07:29pm)

You know, that imperialist perspective is intriguing from a philosophical perspective, despite my own values differing greatly.

Quote (El1te @ Jan 21 2024 07:57pm)

It is the primary rationale behind all conquerors, it's legitimacy dependant on how it is done, the Nazis being the best example of how not to expand, and the old British Empire and the modern day Chinese or American (in most instances) hegemony being the best examples on how to morally expand.

Most of us live in the legacy of the British Empire, who brought the less-corruptible rule of common law and justice, peace & order through friendly trade relations. With enduring languages, law, and culture remaining today, which is under attack in the present.

To me it's clearly the philosophical moral option provided it is done as such. And there lies the quandry of human rule, ultimately everything comes down to the morality of the individual and how they can expand their influence socially within various hierarchies and sub-hierarchies.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 21 2024 10:32pm)

Here's the thing: My answer to your question is a "I would not"; however, the key here is that my "no" is not a response to the opportunity to help them, but it's a "no" to the level of burden placed upon me as an individual. We would better meet the needs of such people through a more collaborative approach than me just taking someone I've never met before and who may or may not have all kinds of health complications that are needing to be attended to, because I as an individual have very little carrying capacity relative to a collective. So I believe we should try and develop social systems that accommodate this evolutionary pressure. It's "No" because it's inefficient--ethics can be completely ignored here.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 21 2024 08:10pm)

So you think there's too much homogeneity in humanity?

Quote (Ghot @ Jan 21 2024 08:17pm)

There's no collaborative effort to help starving vets for example... either.
Hell, the left has been trying to shut down the few VA hospitals that we do have.

And that's just one of the citizen groups that are being ignored. There are many others.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 21 2024 08:43pm)

What are your thoughts on this Channel 5 coverage? Having a border like this feels very inhumane, I think. Does that mean we shouldn't have a border at all? I don't know--but, I can't help feel that the current situation is inhumane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dQ4-VNaG3s

Quote (Sioux @ Jan 21 2024 11:42pm)

"Few VA hospitals"

They're one of the largest networks in the world