Quote (Thor123422 @ 5 Jan 2024 17:44)
I love steak too, my freezer is full of ribeyes.
But this isn't an "if I can get behind it" thing. Meat production is unsustainable at current levels. If we don't willingly find substitutes we will scramble to find them when the system collapses.
To be honest, I think that we will run out of drinking water quicker than food.
On a slightly related note, I just remembered a very interesting article I stumbled across and archived years ago, you might like it:
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/09/13/food-nutrients-carbon-dioxide-000511/The gist is that rising carbon levels in the atmosphere change the sugar to nutrient ratio in plants and essentially turn them into "junk food". Even aside from the ever-increasing prevalence of processed food, our diet has become less healthy.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ 5 Jan 2024 17:03)
Before is the worst offender but all meat is pretty inefficient.
Bugs are just so efficient it's kinda crazy we don't already use them in some capscity.
Well, our primeval ancestors during the stone age ate meat because they could hunt animals and gain lots of nutritional value out of it. This way, humans became accustomed to eating meat. Bugs, by contrast, can only be used for food production in meaningful quantities if combined with industrial methods. Neither our primeval nor our ancient ancestors could have fed themselves with bugs.
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The human population as it exists is sustainable if we change how we do things. We could even go quite a bit higher. The big issue is that capitalism is not resource efficient. It is cost efficient, but most of the time that cost comes from having slaves mine your minerals, not from there being excess minerals in the ground above what we could ever use.
The human population as it exists is already unsustainable as long as hundreds of millions of people from the emerging middle classes in places like China, India or even Africa strive for a Western lifestyle. Owning a car, living in single-family homes or really large apartments, traveling to faraway places, eating exotic stuff, lots of outdoor sports, buying new clothes and stuff at least every couple of years - none of that will be possible for the bulk of mankind if humanity tries to tackle climate change via sacrifice and restrictions alone. There is such a large contingent of self-loathing people in the West that you might perhaps find democratic majorities for such an approach (I doubt it though), but good luck telling the middle classes of the developing world that these things will be off cards for them.

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Lithium is another big one that we are poised to run out of. Basically all of the lithium for the next 50 years is accounted for. It's gonna be a very difficult time if we don't start recycling and being more sustainable in a BIG way.
Good point, one I can wholeheartedly agree with.
This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 5 2024 06:09pm