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Jan 5 2024 06:08pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 5 Jan 2024 17:44)
I love steak too, my freezer is full of ribeyes.

But this isn't an "if I can get behind it" thing. Meat production is unsustainable at current levels. If we don't willingly find substitutes we will scramble to find them when the system collapses.

To be honest, I think that we will run out of drinking water quicker than food.

On a slightly related note, I just remembered a very interesting article I stumbled across and archived years ago, you might like it:
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/09/13/food-nutrients-carbon-dioxide-000511/

The gist is that rising carbon levels in the atmosphere change the sugar to nutrient ratio in plants and essentially turn them into "junk food". Even aside from the ever-increasing prevalence of processed food, our diet has become less healthy.


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Quote (Thor123422 @ 5 Jan 2024 17:03)
Before is the worst offender but all meat is pretty inefficient.
Bugs are just so efficient it's kinda crazy we don't already use them in some capscity.

Well, our primeval ancestors during the stone age ate meat because they could hunt animals and gain lots of nutritional value out of it. This way, humans became accustomed to eating meat. Bugs, by contrast, can only be used for food production in meaningful quantities if combined with industrial methods. Neither our primeval nor our ancient ancestors could have fed themselves with bugs.

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The human population as it exists is sustainable if we change how we do things. We could even go quite a bit higher. The big issue is that capitalism is not resource efficient. It is cost efficient, but most of the time that cost comes from having slaves mine your minerals, not from there being excess minerals in the ground above what we could ever use.

The human population as it exists is already unsustainable as long as hundreds of millions of people from the emerging middle classes in places like China, India or even Africa strive for a Western lifestyle. Owning a car, living in single-family homes or really large apartments, traveling to faraway places, eating exotic stuff, lots of outdoor sports, buying new clothes and stuff at least every couple of years - none of that will be possible for the bulk of mankind if humanity tries to tackle climate change via sacrifice and restrictions alone. There is such a large contingent of self-loathing people in the West that you might perhaps find democratic majorities for such an approach (I doubt it though), but good luck telling the middle classes of the developing world that these things will be off cards for them. ^_^

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Lithium is another big one that we are poised to run out of. Basically all of the lithium for the next 50 years is accounted for. It's gonna be a very difficult time if we don't start recycling and being more sustainable in a BIG way.

Good point, one I can wholeheartedly agree with. ;)

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 5 2024 06:09pm
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Jan 5 2024 07:01pm
oh no the world will change due to the populace requiring enhancement

oh no

ohhh nooooo

ohh nooo

the world changes ohh nooo

glad to see this muskrat looking eloite dude taking a perfectly normal thread and turn it into a conspiracy theory confirmation leading to the eventual deaths of billions of people

is there any event or statistic that isnt a pseudo confirmation that billions of people will die or of the new world order taking effect? lmfao jesus

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Quote (norseman81 @ Jan 5 2024 06:23am)
https://twitter.com/ChrisWickNews/status/1742894290211074205

WHO's Tedros: "Our food systems are harming the health of people and planet. Food systems contribute to over 30% of greenhouse gas emissions, and account for almost one third of the global burden of disease. Transforming food systems is therefore essential"

Here come the insects...

Did you know in London, Ontario they have the largest insect farms for pet grade food where they spoke of opening one for human consumption is probable?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/cricket-farm-london-ontario-1.6506606

The tin-foil hat wearers who spoke of this at length years ago were all wrong /s :)


"Our food system are harming the health of people and planet"

whau...they realized that quick lmao.


to be honest this planet is done, this illegal mass migration, radical movmement feminism their, satan rainbow club there,with mongo pandemic and their super "safe" vaccine.....there is so much more and more which is all connected, i mean the list is pretty big and thanks to the owners of this planet who are corrupted as fuck by creating and holding our systems and tell us how it works.

We are dumb as fuck: They gave us money and in retun we gave them the world.


ww3 is already started,prepared and will be launched live on clinton new network when last days are also more visible....


well i will shorten that bit:

we are done bros
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Jan 7 2024 02:13pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 5 2024 06:08pm)
To be honest, I think that we will run out of drinking water quicker than food.

On a slightly related note, I just remembered a very interesting article I stumbled across and archived years ago, you might like it:
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/09/13/food-nutrients-carbon-dioxide-000511/

The gist is that rising carbon levels in the atmosphere change the sugar to nutrient ratio in plants and essentially turn them into "junk food". Even aside from the ever-increasing prevalence of processed food, our diet has become less healthy.

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Well, our primeval ancestors during the stone age ate meat because they could hunt animals and gain lots of nutritional value out of it. This way, humans became accustomed to eating meat. Bugs, by contrast, can only be used for food production in meaningful quantities if combined with industrial methods. Neither our primeval nor our ancient ancestors could have fed themselves with bugs.

The human population as it exists is already unsustainable as long as hundreds of millions of people from the emerging middle classes in places like China, India or even Africa strive for a Western lifestyle. Owning a car, living in single-family homes or really large apartments, traveling to faraway places, eating exotic stuff, lots of outdoor sports, buying new clothes and stuff at least every couple of years - none of that will be possible for the bulk of mankind if humanity tries to tackle climate change via sacrifice and restrictions alone. There is such a large contingent of self-loathing people in the West that you might perhaps find democratic majorities for such an approach (I doubt it though), but good luck telling the middle classes of the developing world that these things will be off cards for them. ^_^


Good point, one I can wholeheartedly agree with. ;)


Wait till you learn how much potable water goes towards agriculture that goes into feed for meat production. It's a lot.

Our ancestors ate a shit load of bugs. Current estimates are that insect populations are something insane like 80% lower than they were 50 years ago, and likely another 80% lower than before industrialization. You could sustain a tribe with a huge portion of their diet being foraged insects back in the day, and there were also more random livestock running around as well. The land was way more plentiful back then without industrial farming, but the take away is that humans ate A LOT of bugs in our development.

The "middle class lifestyle" is an anomoly that will likely never exist again. There are two big groups that need to be tackled in the future. Billionaires, and the middle class. Billionaires for obvious reasons, they have ever interest in making sure the wealth stays concentrated and not losing it. The far more interesting one is the middle class. People really like having individual cars even though you don't need them if you design cities well. We should be designing our cities to largely exclude cars and have robust efficient public transport. Middle class people aren't gonna like this, but it's not really a matter liking it as much as it's a matter of having no choice. We can do it willingly now, or kicking and screaming as things collapse around us.

We will of course do the latter. The average adult has no capacity for introspection or determination of what they actually want or need. My mother in law inherited some money recently and wanted a jeep. I went through the full cost, we went and looked at one, I pointed out she can't make 500 mile drives on 20mpg, and there's no way she'll be 75 lifting herself into the jeep when she can barely get into it now. You'd think a 65 year old woman would be able to think these things through, but it took a delicate hand and in person demonstrations to get her to realize it. Kind of sucks that humans need to be treated with kid gloves to see the things that are really fucking obvious.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 7 2024 03:13pm)
Wait till you learn how much potable water goes towards agriculture that goes into feed for meat production. It's a lot.

Our ancestors ate a shit load of bugs. Current estimates are that insect populations are something insane like 80% lower than they were 50 years ago, and likely another 80% lower than before industrialization. You could sustain a tribe with a huge portion of their diet being foraged insects back in the day, and there were also more random livestock running around as well. The land was way more plentiful back then without industrial farming, but the take away is that humans ate A LOT of bugs in our development.

The "middle class lifestyle" is an anomoly that will likely never exist again. There are two big groups that need to be tackled in the future. Billionaires, and the middle class. Billionaires for obvious reasons, they have ever interest in making sure the wealth stays concentrated and not losing it. The far more interesting one is the middle class. People really like having individual cars even though you don't need them if you design cities well. We should be designing our cities to largely exclude cars and have robust efficient public transport. Middle class people aren't gonna like this, but it's not really a matter liking it as much as it's a matter of having no choice. We can do it willingly now, or kicking and screaming as things collapse around us.

We will of course do the latter. The average adult has no capacity for introspection or determination of what they actually want or need. My mother in law inherited some money recently and wanted a jeep. I went through the full cost, we went and looked at one, I pointed out she can't make 500 mile drives on 20mpg, and there's no way she'll be 75 lifting herself into the jeep when she can barely get into it now. You'd think a 65 year old woman would be able to think these things through, but it took a delicate hand and in person demonstrations to get her to realize it. Kind of sucks that humans need to be treated with kid gloves to see the things that are really fucking obvious.


So if anything happens to her, we know it was you. Got it. You did one for the planet. Kudos to you hero.
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Jan 7 2024 02:29pm
All lies told by people that don't want you healthy.
Want to be sick and unhealthy?
Go on a processed food/vegan diet.
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Quote (sirthom @ Jan 7 2024 09:29pm)
All lies told by people that don't want you healthy.
Want to be sick and unhealthy?
Go on a processed food/vegan diet.


yea sick and unhealthy in lightspeed i am tellin ya mate. I mean i dont blame them for that at all. We are already promoted obesity everywhere with body positivity shit so yea its all together that crap.

I have no hope to be honest how it goes for all of us..........
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Jan 7 2024 02:46pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 7 2024 12:13pm)
Wait till you learn how much potable water goes towards agriculture that goes into feed for meat production. It's a lot.

Our ancestors ate a shit load of bugs. Current estimates are that insect populations are something insane like 80% lower than they were 50 years ago, and likely another 80% lower than before industrialization. You could sustain a tribe with a huge portion of their diet being foraged insects back in the day, and there were also more random livestock running around as well. The land was way more plentiful back then without industrial farming, but the take away is that humans ate A LOT of bugs in our development.

The "middle class lifestyle" is an anomoly that will likely never exist again. There are two big groups that need to be tackled in the future. Billionaires, and the middle class. Billionaires for obvious reasons, they have ever interest in making sure the wealth stays concentrated and not losing it. The far more interesting one is the middle class. People really like having individual cars even though you don't need them if you design cities well. We should be designing our cities to largely exclude cars and have robust efficient public transport. Middle class people aren't gonna like this, but it's not really a matter liking it as much as it's a matter of having no choice. We can do it willingly now, or kicking and screaming as things collapse around us.

We will of course do the latter. The average adult has no capacity for introspection or determination of what they actually want or need. My mother in law inherited some money recently and wanted a jeep. I went through the full cost, we went and looked at one, I pointed out she can't make 500 mile drives on 20mpg, and there's no way she'll be 75 lifting herself into the jeep when she can barely get into it now. You'd think a 65 year old woman would be able to think these things through, but it took a delicate hand and in person demonstrations to get her to realize it. Kind of sucks that humans need to be treated with kid gloves to see the things that are really fucking obvious.


The Bolsheviks called, they want their ideology back.

Everything you wrote has been tried, done, and is in the dustbin of history.

Are 100+ million dead bodies not enough for you? The destruction of entire nation states that now live in crippling poverty?
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Quote (sirthom @ Jan 7 2024 12:29pm)
All lies told by people that don't want you healthy.
Want to be sick and unhealthy?
Go on a processed food/vegan diet.


If one wants to be healthy, all they need to do is eat lots of meat, lift lots of weights, and find solace in religion.

All things that they tell you is "toxic masculinity"
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Jan 7 2024 03:01pm
Quote (El1te @ Jan 5 2024 04:57pm)
"Transforming food systems" is a euphemism for mass famine, in which up to billions of people could die.

There were 2 guys that already tried this, their names were Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong, and they killed over 100 million people.


The population of China increased by 400 million under Mao, makes you wonder what the place would look like if his regime never took over.
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