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Jan 6 2024 08:05am
Quote (IceMage @ Jan 6 2024 07:52am)
Trump and his cronies were negotiating with Russians throughout the 2016 Republican primary to build a Trump tower in Moscow and give the penthouse to Putin.

This isn't me doing whataboutism. This is me laying out a fact about the Republican candidate for 2024. People need all the facts to know which candidate is truly corrupt.

Btw, so far I've yet to see convincing evidence that Biden was corrupt at all, at least to the extent that he profited from the shady dealings of his son and brother. Vague emails and debunked Giuliani-Ukraine conspiracies fall flat.

The lack of evidence is kind of astounding. Do cultists realize how much evidence would be needed to even come close to the corruption of Trump?


I guess the part you're ignoring is that Trump did not actually go through with his eastern europe deal, and when he got paid by the Chinese it was in exchange for services at market rates. Whereas the Bidens got paid millions of dollars by the Chinese in exchange for political access.
There's no implicit corruption in someone conducting business overseas and profiting from it. That's how the world works. There's plenty of obvious corruption involved in no-show jobs and millions of dollars flowing to the accounts of a VP and his family who provided no legitimate goods or services in exchange.
If Elon Musk ran for senate, would you say he's corrupt because Tesla makes $40+ billion per year from overseas sources? Tesla sells cars. Trump rents properties. What services do Joe, Hunter & James Biden provide to earn princely sums from Chinese intelligence agents?
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Jan 6 2024 08:09am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 6 2024 09:05am)
I guess the part you're ignoring is that Trump did not actually go through with his eastern europe deal, and when he got paid by the Chinese it was in exchange for services at market rates. Whereas the Bidens got paid millions of dollars by the Chinese in exchange for political access.
There's no implicit corruption in someone conducting business overseas and profiting from it. That's how the world works. There's plenty of obvious corruption involved in no-show jobs and millions of dollars flowing to the accounts of a VP and his family who provided no legitimate goods or services in exchange.
If Elon Musk ran for senate, would you say he's corrupt because Tesla makes $40+ billion per year from overseas sources? Tesla sells cars. Trump rents properties. What services do Joe, Hunter & James Biden provide to earn princely sums from Chinese intelligence agents?




I know, I know [raises his hand]...


The Biden's provide political favors. :D

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Jan 6 2024 08:27am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 6 2024 06:05am)
I guess the part you're ignoring is that Trump did not actually go through with his eastern europe deal, and when he got paid by the Chinese it was in exchange for services at market rates. Whereas the Bidens got paid millions of dollars by the Chinese in exchange for political access.
There's no implicit corruption in someone conducting business overseas and profiting from it. That's how the world works. There's plenty of obvious corruption involved in no-show jobs and millions of dollars flowing to the accounts of a VP and his family who provided no legitimate goods or services in exchange.
If Elon Musk ran for senate, would you say he's corrupt because Tesla makes $40+ billion per year from overseas sources? Tesla sells cars. Trump rents properties. What services do Joe, Hunter & James Biden provide to earn princely sums from Chinese intelligence agents?


First off, I don't consider the lack of following through completely on something bad a complete exoneration as you do. Whether it be to the Trump tower deal in Moscow or the (NY) Trump tower meeting where Don Jr. expected damaging info on Hillary from the Russians. The fact that these people were willing to do it and followed through multiple steps counts. I think this is how normal people think, and how morality(and law) normally work.

Second, the first couple sentences of your response reveal something. You go from referring to Trump, the man, to referring to the Bidens, the family. Obviously it's intentional. If we're to compare the corruption of Trump the man vs. Biden the man, the corruption looks worse on the Trump side. And, if we're to compare the Trump family and Biden family business, the corruption looks worse on the Trump family side. You separate Trump from his family's dealings(when evidence shows we should connect them) while connecting Biden and his family's dealings(when evidence shows we should separate them). This is called being a hack.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jan 6 2024 08:30am
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Quote (IceMage @ Jan 6 2024 08:27am)
First off, I don't consider the lack of following through completely on something bad a complete exoneration as you do. Whether it be to the Trump tower deal in Moscow or the (NY) Trump tower meeting where Don Jr. expected damaging info on Hillary from the Russians. The fact that these people were willing to do it and followed through multiple steps counts. I think this is how normal people think, and how morality(and law) normally work.


How would you have thought the trump tower meeting with jr was supposed to go?
I mean, at the time Trump jr wouldn't actually know the extent of how the FBI had been weaponized against his father and that they were being spied on by Comey & friends in an attempt to cheat in the election
But Trump jr got approached by Americans claiming to have intelligence that proved Hillary Clinton had illegal dealings in Russia. He agreed to meet and hear them out, and then kicked them out when they went into a pitch about the magnitsky act as a bait and switch. And a whole Mueller probe later, that's where the story started and ended. We don't get to know how Don jr would have responded had the intel been legit. Would they have weaponized it in their campaign, saved it for a debate? Released it to the media immediately? Contacted the FBI immediately, then the media? We don't know, we can't, but it doesn't matter because it wasn't real. But trying to put any blame on Don Jr for merely listening to hear if a rumor had any evidence, that's absurd. And trying to argue that Don Jr should have involved the FBI at as early a stage as before he even saw any evidence it was real- that's also absurd, and particularly when we have the knowledge Don jr didn't, that the FBI was already scheming against him at that point.

of course you never had a problem with the actual misconduct and corrupt use of power in this storyline. the part where Hillary Clinton actively conjured up a fake russia narrative to smear Trump, and the intelligence community consciously and purposefully weaponized it while knowing it was fabricated
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Jan 6 2024 12:46pm
Quote (Ghot @ Jan 6 2024 07:58am)
You know that was legal.
I mean it wasn't horribly illegal, like selling Russia 20% of our Uranium stock. :/


Also, Trump detached himself from his businesses when he won in 2016.

All this has been posted on here many times. Trump has been already cleared of Russiagate as well.


Lol, you really say Trump detached himself from his businesses in 2016? You literally just like to ignore reality, huh?

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN14V21K/

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Trump has been already cleared of Russiagate as well.


No, he wasn't. There was literally evidence of him colluding, but the original FBI investigation was a shit show and therefore, due to their incompetence, he was "cleared" in the sense they could not do anything about it due to evidence being thrown out.

You just so badly want to close your eyes to the literal shit stain that trump is. How are people this blind?
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Jan 6 2024 02:47pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Jan 5 2024 11:29pm)
duts jut cOnSpIrAaREEEEEE THoRY u jUst A cOnSpIrAcYREEEE tHoRiSt


its not a conspiracy theory when we have the receipts

its a confirmed conspiracy
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Jan 6 2024 02:54pm
okay op, now put this same effort into talking about Biden's foreign cash.
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Jan 6 2024 03:12pm
Quote (Mondain @ Jan 6 2024 04:54pm)
okay op, now put this same effort into talking about Biden's foreign cash.


Republicans have been trying that for over 15 years now and have turned up nothing

do you pay attention?
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Jan 6 2024 04:04pm
Quote (IroningTheMaiden @ Jan 6 2024 12:47pm)
its not a conspiracy theory when we have the receipts

its a confirmed conspiracy


o? you saying declaring "conspirAREEEE thory" doesnt cut it? say it aint soooo.......
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Jan 7 2024 08:49am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 5 Jan 2024 21:09)
The fact that the guy who took millions from China is a frontrunner demonstrates this.


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