Quote (blahaj @ Oct 6 2023 02:22am)
conspiracy need not merit debate. nothing about the conspiracies merits anything other than "oh wow thats crazy bro" and moving on
antisemitism is your answer
It doesn't seem any more or less ridiculous to me than trans ideology really.
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 6 2023 03:08am)
Jewish people control the world the same way everybody with money controls the world. By giving money to political candidates and lobbying in their own interests.
And in doing so they are overwhelmingly dwarfed by christians in the USA in terms of lobbying effort. The only real place jewish influence outpaces all others is in foreign aid to Israel. Which makes sense since Israel is a Jewish state.
It's not some conspiracy. Just how politics is designed to work in our country.
I'm looking for the opinions of people who believe these things to explain in their own words why they believe in them. I don't really believe in any Jewish conspiracy and am quite fond of the religion so it interests me when people hold these views.
Quote (AleKsRoBerto @ Oct 6 2023 02:38am)
This 100%. Kids like zorzin don’t even know what they are talking about… that guy is just a racist piece of shit
However I do have to say that some of the hardliner pro Zionist people need to be met with resistance (I feel this way about all potentially destructive extremist groups and individuals). I think many Jewish people want to find a constructive and peaceful solution.
Eh I have no real problem with him, I think he is wrong about some things but that's the point of debating about it, I enjoy his sense of humor sometimes which means more to me than sharing the same opinions on everything.
Quote (Malopox @ Oct 6 2023 04:34am)
Debates like this tend to quickly degenerate into racism and conspiracy theories.
Having said that it’s peculiar to observe the latest Canadian government guffaw with that Waffen SS guy.People only give a shit about him because he killed Jews.
It’s seems to be historically acceptable to have exterminated Russians, Poles, Ukranians, Slovaks, Croatians, Slovenians, Rusins during the World War 2, but if you touched the forbidden fruit - you are toast.
Yeah I realize that but considering this topic leaks into most others in the forum I figured a dedicated spot to discuss it might be useful. I plan to push back on those things if they come up but I wouldn't be shocked if the thread gets closed.
I think many people have a somewhat fictionalized version of World War 2 as the origin story for the modern world, we have catch phrases like "never forget" so we don't repeat the same mistakes and yet it seems to me we constantly run down the same roads. I think the inconsistencies in our origin story are in part what drive the increase in people who are open to previously taboo opinions.
And historically I don't think western Europe has had a particular soft spot for the Slavs, I think the general rule of "if they agree with us, they are people" has usually applied. Communism becoming the next great evil after WW2 also didn't help, why would we talk about the sacrifice and loss of our enemy after all.
Quote (Meanwhile @ Oct 6 2023 05:03am)
I guess they will say it's not a conspiracy first, then it will be some kind of gym to victimize or spread doubt about the existence of a mysterious entity able to cut dicks.
I don't know what this means