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Sep 9 2023 05:05am
No hate but they should deliver free fully auto guns to everyone inthere, along with fragmentation grenades, detonators, and C-4. IR googles too.
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Sep 9 2023 06:25am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Sep 9 2023 06:05am)
No hate but they should deliver free fully auto guns to everyone inthere, along with fragmentation grenades, detonators, and C-4. IR googles too.


This, but unironically.

Quote (Mondain @ Sep 9 2023 05:50am)
So the people being punished are law abiding citizens.

The criminals and cartel (as mentioned before) aren't going to give a shit.

How do we know this lady isn't being paid by the cartel to disarm the population of albuquerque?


Nah, fuck that cunt. It is blatantly unconstitutional. A governor doesn't just get to suspend the Constitution. Expect rampant noncompliance.
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Sep 9 2023 08:18am
You can non-comply and then what?

Governors and lawmakers and unelected authorities can simply make declarations that violate the constitution and then demand their enforcement and imprison those who denounce it as unconstitutional. The courts can try to reject it and overturn them, but they can simply make more unconstitutional mandates and keep piling them on with nothing but a proclamation, while courts need years of deliberations for each case. And every time you fall through the cracks and don't get bailed out by the higher courts, when they don't have time, or the lower courts have been invaded by an activist judiciary? You're the one being trodden upon.
But the founding fathers put in checks and balances for these kinds of situations and the states copied them into their constitutions- if a leader becomes odious, they can be impeached. Which falls flat once an entire political party with a majority power is willing to prop up the farce. And at that point the system just breaks down. We saw it before the civil war with nullification crises, the fugitive slave act, etc

Its a simple fact that our system of checks and balances only works when the lawmakers obey a shared civil ethos. Once that's gone, they're just eroding our democracy
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Sep 9 2023 09:50am
open carry states are insane
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Sep 9 2023 01:29pm
How is this different from the feds enforcing pot laws on states that legalised it?
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Sep 9 2023 01:47pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Sep 9 2023 09:50am)
open carry states are insane


Yeah barely any crime it’s so crazy
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Sep 9 2023 02:16pm
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Yeah barely any crime it’s so crazy


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A 2022 analysis found that states with permitless carry laws saw a 22 percent increase in gun homicide for the three years following the law's passage. A 2019 study found that right-to-carry laws were associated with a 29 percent increase in firearm workplace homicides.


it is pretty crazy huh
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Sep 9 2023 02:17pm
They will keep doing this until the USA achieves regime change

The current regime is criminal and loathes the constitution, they will not do anything
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Sep 9 2023 03:07pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Sep 9 2023 02:29pm)
How is this different from the feds enforcing pot laws on states that legalised it?


Marijuana possession and use isn't a constitutionally guaranteed right, and federal drug laws were passed by congress and have supremacy over state laws insofar as they apply to interstate commerce, which was laid out in Gonzales v Raich in 2005;

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Even respondents acknowledge the existence of an illicit market in marijuana; indeed, Raich has personally participated in that market, and Monson expresses a willingness to do so in the future. More concretely, one concern prompting inclusion of wheat grown for home consumption in the 1938 Act was that rising market prices could draw such wheat into the interstate market, resulting in lower market prices. Wickard, 317 U.S., at 128. The parallel concern making it appropriate to include marijuana grown for home consumption in the CSA is the likelihood that the high demand in the interstate market will draw such marijuana into that market. While the diversion of homegrown wheat tended to frustrate the federal interest in stabilizing prices by regulating the volume of commercial transactions in the interstate market, the diversion of homegrown marijuana tends to frustrate the federal interest in eliminating commercial transactions in the interstate market in their entirety. In both cases, the regulation is squarely within Congress' commerce power because production of the commodity meant for home consumption, be it wheat or marijuana, has a substantial effect on supply and demand in the national market for that commodity.

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Unlike the power to regulate activities that have a substantial effect on interstate commerce, the power to enact laws enabling effective regulation of interstate commerce can only be exercised in conjunction with congressional regulation of an interstate market, and it extends only to those measures necessary to make the interstate regulation effective. As Lopez itself states, and the Court affirms today, Congress may regulate noneconomic intrastate activities only where the failure to do so "could … undercut" its regulation of interstate commerce. ... This is not a power that threatens to obliterate the line between "what is truly national and what is truly local."[12]



Notably, Justice Thomas pointed out in a case just two years ago that the constitutional argument for the interstate commerce clause to apply has been undercut by the very fact of the federal governments non-enforcement of marijuana criminalization, since that was the basis for the Gonzales decision, and thus it could be revisited and overturned in the future on that argument. Basically, if Gonzales argued that the federal government had an interest in controlling the market forces, and since then the federal government abdicated their role in controlling those market forces, than they can't use it as a basis to argue supremacy over interstate commerce and it should be left to the states.

But all of this is completely removed from the issue of a constitutionally protected right like the right to bear arms
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Sep 9 2023 03:53pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 10 2023 02:18am)
You can non-comply and then what?

Governors and lawmakers and unelected authorities can simply make declarations that violate the constitution and then demand their enforcement and imprison those who denounce it as unconstitutional. The courts can try to reject it and overturn them, but they can simply make more unconstitutional mandates and keep piling them on with nothing but a proclamation, while courts need years of deliberations for each case. And every time you fall through the cracks and don't get bailed out by the higher courts, when they don't have time, or the lower courts have been invaded by an activist judiciary? You're the one being trodden upon.
But the founding fathers put in checks and balances for these kinds of situations and the states copied them into their constitutions- if a leader becomes odious, they can be impeached. Which falls flat once an entire political party with a majority power is willing to prop up the farce. And at that point the system just breaks down. We saw it before the civil war with nullification crises, the fugitive slave act, etc

Its a simple fact that our system of checks and balances only works when the lawmakers obey a shared civil ethos. Once that's gone, they're just eroding our democracy


This is an inherent problem across the board. No matter the political affiliation or structure power and greed will find its way to abuse and corrupt any well meaning government. The checks and balances are there to keep regular folks in place but not the ones doing the checks and balances themselves. Only weapon we have is our votes or non compliance and maybe some legal book throwing but that's about it.

This post was edited by addone on Sep 9 2023 03:58pm
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