And more to the point, urban crime is clustered geographically in a way that lets ivory tower liberals ignore it. Our local TV personalities like Jason DeRusha love to get on twitter and argue that crime is just a perception problem while he lords it up in a maple grove enclave. Its not white people in rich suburbs that have a near 0.0000 murder rate going back 150 years that are the victims of this crime wave, its all those black/hmong/native/etc people in the inner city. That early release felon drunk driving in minneapolis is far more likely to murder a group of somali girls driving to a wedding downtown than kill an upper level management at a multinational medtech living in a gated community on a private lake.

The main reason for looking at homicide rates as an indicator of crime is its one of the only crimes where reporting is assumed to be near 100% and victimization is rarely in dispute.

No way, i posted homelessness wiki chart, it didn't increase (decrease so since population is increasing) in the last 13 years before 2020.
But the proverty probably increased after covid crisis i don't have the sources, i don't know if it will fix itself even partially soon enough.
When i say reporting & perception probably increased, it's very important. Ignored.

You may find your own sources and not accusing me to make something bad "AGAIN" ... Wtf lol
Goomshill Cherry-picked George Floyd’s Death & Minneapolis is, for me, invalid and very, very, sad. (Police could have decided to let the crime go, to over-report, or to stop patrols in whole areas)

that's not a "could have", that's precisely what happened. Police stopped enforcing the law in large swathes of Minneapolis and let people deal drugs, steal cars and shoot each other unchecked.
Its what the people wanted, what they voted overwhelmingly for, and what caused the current crime wave

And until society becomes a real meat grinder I don't see over/under reporting being an issue with homicides

This post was edited by Goomshill on Sep 2 2023 05:09am

Like in my quote: It is very possible that this Minneapolis police entity is wishfully doing a bad quality job (including over-reporting) as revenge, along with simply taking care not to get "caught" again.
In clear words: They are not here to properly help their own population; on the contrary, they are trying to reverse the accusation... This has nothing to do with homelessness.

Xenophobic off-topic

How do police go about reporting more homicides than actually occur? Do they invent fake people and create social security numbers for them, hold mock funerals and pay crisis actors to portray their loved ones?

I know how it works, in France there's already a good concentration of hard right-wingers in police along with communautarianism, so it's easy to understand how extreme it can be in U.S. You probably literally have syndicates, almost brotherhoods.
IMHO it's not "defund" the police, it's "remake" the police. And it's a big job when alot of people who don't want to do it. Over-reporting to increase statistics + stop patrols in certain critical areas just to increase murder rate is very possible. + Covid crisis which is also a factor.
In clear words : I am not trusting your Mineapolice and it's still off-topic anyway.

Btw after checking stats in this area is seems it's not "new" : Crime was already increasing is a while anyway.

https://minnesotareformer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/minn_gun_violence-a-2048x1858.png

Wtf your guys are disgusting liars.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Sep 2 2023 06:16am

That's Minnesota as a whole. The metro only makes up about 2.7 million of the state's 5.7 million population. You can very clearly see how the homicide rates spiked after 2019 even though you're dampening it by comparing to total statewide homicide rates. There's no crime wave in Itasca or Marshall, or even in the suburbs if they're wealthy enough. It doubled in the twin cities alone- alone.

The police didn't 'want' to stop patrols or let murderers go free. That decision was made for them. Police were told they'd be arrested and/or lynched for doing their jobs and trying to save people's lives, while simultaneously violent criminals were given a revolving door sentences where folks with an unironic 30+ felony convictions wouldn't serve a day in prison. And we're just seeing the latest iteration of it this week, as police are being withdrawn from school districts around the states because SROs are subject to a new law passed by the democrats that says intervening in school fights to protect children can get the cops arrested, so again if they do their jobs they are subject to criminal liability. And what do they do? Given the choice between 'exploit the PTSD claim system and not do their job and still get full pay' and 'risk their own necks to save people who hate them', guess which they pick

Thank you.

You have the picture in the wikipedia, reporting it will be harder:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_George_Floyd

Derek Chauvin adjusted his position and shifted his weight several times, and the prosecution used freeze frame pictures from those exact moments to misrepresent his body weight.
If 86.9 lbs of pressure were placed on the small cross section of floyd's neck and kept there, he would neither be able to turn his head nor breathe, both of which he was very clearly doing.
Instead for pretty much the entirety of the encounter, his body weight was either on Chauvin's feet or Floyd's upper back.


To dumb this down to something you can literally see visualized instead of having it explained to you and understanding it like a normal person would be capable of, I made you this quick demonstration;



There's a less than subtle irony that in the past few years the auth-left decided that this kind of digital misrepresentation by having a freeze frame or clip out of context would become a bannable offense on their captive social media platforms (well, until elon freed the bird), while simultaneously uplifting it to the status of proof in a court of law when the lynch mob needed an excuse.