Prove it, change me.

Nah its true

I initially wanted 4 kids until I had 1

lol who calls em dodgem cars

we could be like isalm and treat them like a commodity or we can go woke/'gay and treat them like they are expendable.

I don't have to change you to prove it..
The same people who attended woodstock are mostly trump voters now.

Do you advocate in people being legally forced to stay married regardless of the circumstances?

Interesting question, I am glad you asked.

My response:


I want to make it difficult for divorce to happen for frivolous reasons when the marriage has produced a child. To make it really clear, I think this should only be confined to cases where the couple has a child together. Normally, it's not anybody's business, and certainly not the government's, when someone wants to end their marriage. Nobody should be able to stop them, nor to question them. However, when a child is involved, it's different. The child's needs come first, ahead of either parent's needs. I feel that a child has the best chance of growing into a happy adult if he/she grows up in an intact family with both biological parents, who are the most likely to truly love them and care for them. I believe that we should coerce people to make sacrifices for the happiness of their child. If you are simply "unhappy" in your marriage, then I am sorry, that is not sufficient grounds for a divorce. Not when you have a child. I think it's really unfair to a child if its mother divorces her husband casually, only to fall for and then marry someone, taking the child away from its biological father and forcing it to live with a step-father. Not only is the step-father less likely to love the child, there can be issues of neglect, or worse, issues of molestation or even rape. It's also unfair to the biological father to lose his child, when he hasn't done anything wrong to deserve the divorce. This is why I feel that no-fault divorce should be forbidden when the couple have a child together. People should be required to produce hard evidence that the marriage is no longer bearable, for example if a spouse has committed adultery, or if the husband hits the wife or the child, or if there is evidence of sexual crime, or other similar things of a very serious nature. I mean, we already throw some fathers in jail for failing to pay child support. If we can do this to people in the name of children's welfare, then surely we can legally stop people from casually divorcing their spouse when they have a child together. What I am proposing is not nearly as draconian as what we currently do to men. So I hope people won't complain that the government doesn't have the right to do this. If you didn't protest about the court putting men in jail for not making child support, you don't have the right to protest about this. So don't be a hypocrite, and more importantly, think about the child's welfare and how important having an intact family is for him/her. People are adults and I expect them to know that it's not only about themselves anymore when they produce a baby. Now there is another person involved. People should put the child first in everything they ever consider. And if they won't, then we will get the government to force them to. And I don't feel bad about this at all. Yes I admit that this will constitute infringement on individual liberty, however, the thing is, the government already compels people to do all kinds of things, some of which are reasonable, some aren't. At least with my proposal, there is a purpose. I am trying to protect children. So yes, I feel completely justified. That said, I propose to establish some kind of agency that provides help and guidance to parents who are unhappy in their marriage. I want to help them identify what exactly is causing their dissatisfaction to the point where they are considering divorcing the father(or mother) of their child. I believe that with counselling and good advice, people will be able to work things out with their spouse and salvage their marriage, which is a precious thing. I care about children's welfare, however I also care about parents' happiness too, and I want to do everything I can to ensure people aren't miserable in their marriage.

This post was edited by JessiWan on Jun 28 2023 04:27pm

You use an emotionally charged argument. I counter this and say that forcing the relationship to go on for the childs sake can be equally damaging. Of course if one believes in the sanctity of marriage I believe that to be absolutely laughable.

Based on the way you framed the OP, I kind of figured you were going for the argument you were trying to make. There are many reasons why the premise of your original statement was in bad faith, none with which I will humor. Have a good one.

I am willing to consider your argument if you can provide compelling evidence for your claim. I am not saying that forcing people to remain married has no effect on the child. However I really think the benefit outweighs any harm.



Really? Why is it laughable? You are probably one of those spiritually barren lefties who mock everything that normal people hold dear.


How was it in "bad faith"?

This post was edited by JessiWan on Jun 28 2023 05:25pm