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Mar 18 2023 08:08am
Quote (mki @ Mar 18 2023 06:54am)
Sounds like solid advice that you should take.

Hey do you ever feel like you're being watched by the government?


lol "sounds like solid advice" you say.

if you carry a smart phone with you, you are being tracked if thats what you mean?
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Mar 18 2023 08:20am
Quote (TiStuff @ 18 Mar 2023 09:08)
if you carry a smart phone with you, you are being tracked if thats what you mean?


Obviously that information goes straight to multiple government agencies.

I meant you specifically.

Do you feel like there's government agents watching you?
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Mar 18 2023 08:44am
Hillary Clinton laundered campaign funds to pay for the Steele Dossier by disguising it as "legal costs" to Perkins Coie. A clear campaign expense under the FEC's definition, illegally unreported. She was fined by the FEC for that violation.
Donald Trump used personal funds to pay Stormy Daniels hush money and labeled it "legal costs". A clear personal expense under the FEC's definition, legally paid in personal funds. Now new york prosecutors want to say that its actually a campaign expense, even though that violates the FEC's standing rules, and that by labeling it 'legal costs' he was engaged in a felony conspiracy to cover up an underlying crime of campaign finance fraud.

To be clear, what Trump did was legal, what Clinton did was illegal, and the legal theory used by these prosecutors would incriminate Hillary, but not Trump
so even after 7 fucking years of relitigating the election, they're still stuck with a completely backwards scenario in which they're trying to condemn Trump for something he did right and Clinton did wrong.
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Mar 18 2023 08:50am
Quote (Goomshill @ 18 Mar 2023 09:44)
Hillary Clinton laundered campaign funds to pay for the Steele Dossier by disguising it as "legal costs" to Perkins Coie. A clear campaign expense under the FEC's definition, illegally unreported. She was fined by the FEC for that violation.
Donald Trump used personal funds to pay Stormy Daniels hush money and labeled it "legal costs". A clear personal expense under the FEC's definition, legally paid in personal funds. Now new york prosecutors want to say that its actually a campaign expense, even though that violates the FEC's standing rules, and that by labeling it 'legal costs' he was engaged in a felony conspiracy to cover up an underlying crime of campaign finance fraud.

To be clear, what Trump did was legal, what Clinton did was illegal, and the legal theory used by these prosecutors would incriminate Hillary, but not Trump
so even after 7 fucking years of relitigating the election, they're still stuck with a completely backwards scenario in which they're trying to condemn Trump for something he did right and Clinton did wrong.


Did you get your law degree from Trump University?
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Mar 18 2023 08:56am
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LOL
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Mar 18 2023 09:03am
Multiple datastreams indicate that there is mass spread of misinformation on this subject already, less than 2 hours after the initial report.

The most concerning is the conspiracy theory that Trump's arrest is actually a plot to assassinate him by police officers.
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Mar 18 2023 09:07am
Quote (mki @ Mar 18 2023 09:50am)
Did you get your law degree from Trump University?


I got my definition of a campaign expense from the FEC commissioner
In fact, its right up on the fec.gov website right now, and flies in the face of this prosecution;

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/making-disbursements/personal-use/

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Commission regulations provide a test, called the "irrespective test," to differentiate legitimate campaign and officeholder expenses from personal expenses. Under the "irrespective test," personal use is any use of funds in a campaign account of a candidate (or former candidate) to fulfill a commitment, obligation or expense of any person that would exist irrespective of the candidate’s campaign or responsibilities as a federal officeholder.

More simply, if the expense would exist even in the absence of the candidacy or even if the officeholder were not in office, then the personal use ban applies.

Conversely, any expense that results from campaign or officeholder activity falls outside the personal use ban.

EXAMPLE

A candidate may not make tuition payments with campaign funds, unless the costs are associated with training campaign staff.


Rich businessmen pay hush money to mistresses all the time irrespective of political campaigns. In fact, Donald Trump has paid off women prior to his campaign for public office.
The FECs metric does not judge whether an expense would influence a campaign- the classical example being a fancy haircut being a personal expense even if it is to make a candidate look photogenic for a debate.
Trump paid Stormy Daniels hush money for the same reason he had paid off previous mistresses, that she was exploiting a campaign to extort him into a payday doesn't make that a campaign expense
Not only that, Stormy Daniels herself has said Trump had previously 'threatened' her into silence, long before his campaign, which demonstrates Trump had a pre-existing reason to pay her hush money irrespective of the campaign.

The FEC's stated methodology isn't ambiguous in this case, its extremely clear. It does not ask "could it influence a campaign or "could it have been caused by a campaign". It instead asks the inverse, "could it have been caused by something other than the campaign". That's the irrespective test. And the answer is abundantly a 'yes'. That's provable in this case. Even the absurdly biased politifact that shills the (D) line for a living still has its article up stating precisely that (probably should archive that page since you know they're going to retcon it);

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"The FEC does not ask, ‘Would it help a candidate to buy the silence of an old girlfriend?’ " Hoersting said. "Rather it asks, ‘Would there be any other reason, other than the campaign, for this person to buy the silence an old girlfriend?’ The answer here is yes, there are many reasons a man like Trump would want to buy the silence of old girlfriend."



And most importantly of all, if Trump had paid Stormy Daniels from campaign funds, the Democrats would have spent the last 7 years prosecuting him for it and calling it campaign finance fraud because its a personal expense. Its an obvious catch-22. A de facto legal activity that is rendered illegal no matter how you abide by the law, because they'll just twist the law the opposite way to incriminate you.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 18 2023 09:12am
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Mar 18 2023 09:14am
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I got my definition of a campaign expense from the FEC commissioner


Hey bud, I'm going to be honest with you. I'm not here to debate you on your legal theories.

Was Chase Allan one of your homies?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPPJ96QFfX4
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Mar 18 2023 09:15am
Quote (mki @ Mar 18 2023 10:14am)
Hey bud, I'm going to be honest with you. I'm not here to debate you on your legal theories.


General chat is over here:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/forum.php?f=27

don't clutter up PARD with threads about subjects you don't want to discuss
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Mar 18 2023 09:16am
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General chat is over here:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/forum.php?f=27

don't clutter up PARD with threads about subjects you don't want to discuss


Sounds like good advice that you should take.
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